Rule Suggestion Make It So MTF (LT)Com+ has the min age of 18

[Ratman99]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Adds a rule that makes the minimum age of the (Lt) Commander of MTF units to be 18+
Potentially adds the age requirement can be lowered with relevant experience or with discretion of SL
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I dont know
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Adds a minor maturity buffer to a VERY important role
At least makes it so the person can be so-so trusted as it more so.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Maybe manpowershortage, if no ones eligle to be promoted to it.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It should add a maturity and competency buffer to these 2 very important roles, i dont think someone under the age of 18 should be entrusted with this responsibility, unless they had demonstrable experience. eg 1 year as a major, already a staff member etc. Unless i am mistaken, i belive most other CL4 roles have a white list process for it and/or have a divided power system.

I dont belive there are many engatives to it, and they can be dealt with when they crop up by "at staff discretion", so a trusted person can be promoted to the position, if none are elegble.

 

[Rion]

- Support

Even getting officers in MTF units already require a great deal of maturity and commitment from anyone. If someone under 18 has both those qualities I don’t think there’s much reason to say no.

 

[Snake]

@Ratman99 I do have to ask who was the last ltcom+ who wasn't an adult, because generally in my experience the vast majority of them are because young people often don't excel in the things needed for commander when compared to other more mature individuals

 

[Skittles]

-support

I've known the best REGCOM and COs that were under 18 and the worst that were over 18.

 

['Clank']

I was LTCOM and ECM at 17 lol, I also don't know why you're using this as only MTF LTCOM's instead of adding Dpt. Leads and FCOM and CI/GOC CL5 lol.... and spending a year as MAJ is insane lol. This is one of the worst takes I've ever seen. If someone can do it while being younger then let them lol. This is a 13+ server.

-Support

 

[Ratman99]

@Ratman99 I do have to ask who was the last ltcom+ who wasn't an adult, because generally in my experience the vast majority of them are because young people often don't excel in the things needed for commander when compared to other more mature individuals

I don't even know, there isn't a required age declaration and i don't go around asking for peoples ages.

Id have to go off forum posts if they applied for things.

(checking and double checking now, will post the list i have)

 

[Claire!]

-Support

No a lot of the best COs/REGCOM have been under the age of 18 in the past. This is just restricting someone, it's a gmod server.

 

[Shinan]

Feels kinda weird to make this suggestions if you can't even think of a time an LTCOM+ was below 18... Sounds like you weren't really affected negatively as a result of an LTCOM+ age at all, so I'm quite confused what the spark for this suggestion was.

That being said
- support as someone has already stated, becoming LTCOM+ in any Regiment already required maturity and leadership potential, which people can have regardless of age (to a certain degree).

 

[flameprince]

-Support
Age limits are arbitrary and harmful, especially for a game with a younger audience. Some of the most mature people I've worked with were under 18, and some of the worst were double that age.

I understand the idea and speaking from experience, most of the people that I've worked with who were under the age of 18 struggled to keep up with their older colleagues in complex social situations & managing their emotions. They have to work twice as hard to "be mature" as they likely haven't had time in their lives to experience the difficult life decisions and situations that build a person's character and depth. Be that as it may, there is no call to deny them via policy. Judge them on their actions alone, and you will do fine.

 

[Zen]

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[YandereMuffin]

We'd lose @Tiago mate
I do not believe that maturity necessarily grows with age. Some people are idiots regardless.

 

[Cain Morris]

-Support, when I was E11 CPT at 13 I helped E11 from falling over the edge, punk, into potential SL intervention to bring it back. Just cause your young doesnt mean that your progression should be stopped based off something you can't change and even so young people have helped regiments lots before in the past lol. Look at @'Clank'

(Did anyone catch the reference in there?)

 

[Ratman99]

I don't even know, there isn't a required age declaration and i don't go around asking for peoples ages.

Id have to go off forum posts if they applied for things.

(checking and double checking now, will post the list i have)

@Snake

This is the list i have compiled to the ebst of my ability, given spotty records, and no age delceration and me not being allowed to see some information.

Spoiler

I got really concerned it looked like i was going on a hate binge against Gambit until a few others turned out to be under 18

Also, dear god the turnover for some of these, and records are high and bad respectively.

List:
NU7:
Gambit: Under 18 (confirmed by app )
Destiny: Unknown (no data)
Solaz: 18+ (confirmed by app)

E-11:
Lipa: Unknown (no data)
Grace: 18+ (confirmed by a app)
Boberotso: Under 18 (when assumed Ltcom/com, confirmed by app )
Abyss "angrybird" : 18+ (confirmed by app)

A-1:
Tiago: Under 18 (confirmed by app)
Hunter: 18+ (confirmed by app)
Keycard: 18+ (confirmed by app)
Snake (hey its you) 18+ (confirmed by app)

O-1:
Swoboa: Under 18 (Data iffy, cant find when he was actually promoted, but found a app)
Doppelganger: Under 18 (found app)
Pyrite: 18+ (found app)
Mirage: 18+ (found app)

 

['Clank']

Tiago: Under 18 (confirmed by app)

Tiago is 18, but was 17 when he got A-1 COM.

 

[Ganch]

@Snake

This is the list i have compiled to the ebst of my ability, given spotty records, and no age delceration and me not being allowed to see some information.

Spoiler

I got really concerned it looked like i was going on a hate binge against Gambit until a few others turned out to be under 18

Also, dear god the turnover for some of these, and records are high and bad respectively.

List:
NU7:
Gambit: Under 18 (confirmed by app )
Destiny: Unknown (no data)
Solaz: 18+ (confirmed by app)

E-11:
Lipa: Unknown (no data)
Grace: 18+ (confirmed by a app)
Boberotso: Under 18 (when assumed Ltcom/com, confirmed by app )
Abyss "angrybird" : 18+ (confirmed by app)

A-1:
Tiago: Under 18 (confirmed by app)
Hunter: 18+ (confirmed by app)
Keycard: 18+ (confirmed by app)
Snake (hey its you) 18+ (confirmed by app)

O-1:
Swoboa: Under 18 (Data iffy, cant find when he was actually promoted, but found a app)
Doppelganger: Under 18 (found app)
Pyrite: 18+ (found app)
Mirage: 18+ (found app)

considering you are only listing 3/4 of the previous/current ltcom+ this really isnt that big of a sample size, especially considering some of them dont have data on them

 

[David Fisher]

Let them play unc

 

[AstroHyena]

I disagree with them needing to be 18+

In regards to peoples age, they can perform still well regardless. A good example of this would be Tiago, he has managed to hold Alpha-1 in a very good spot, even more impressive doing so without a microphone. I don't believe someone needs to meet an age requirement for a position for them to be good.

 

[Salem]

I was A-1 COM at 16 with no issues lmao

 

[WestIshere]

-support, I think if someone under 18 has been Major in a regiment without getting striked or demoted with SA and the COM thinking they are the best candidate will most likely mean they are going to be good as LTCOM

 

[Sneefo]

-Support
arbitrary gatekeeping on a 13+ server