Content Suggestion Make Nu-7 Enlisteds CL2

[Zen]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Using the new rank clearance system, make Nu-7 Enlisteds (PVT-LCPL) CL2 instead of CL3. SOP/Nu-7 areas such as their offices or compound should be similarly reduced, or access overrides given as appropriate (e.g. make SOP outer doors and Nu-7 barracks CL2, but keep DEA areas CL3).

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
No.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

• Restricts clearance levels in a way that makes more sense
  • Nu-7 primarily deals with conventional weaponry and its use on surface. They don't need to know more SCP stuff in depth, like all the CL3 SCPs and whatever, and they don't need access to all of the SCP chambers, offices, etc. behind this clearance level. Whenever they do need to know, or have access to these areas, they'd likely be involved in things led by their superiors or other departments anyway, so they can just be told or granted access by these people. If SRU doesn't need to know or access CL3 stuff, neither do Nu-7 Enlisted, when they should be as far from the SCPs as possible most of the time.
• Makes clearance levels across site less flat
  • Pretty much everyone that is at all experienced is CL3. It seems to be pretty much the "default" clearance level, and it's sometimes seen as the start of when people are actually expected to be able to RP. This shouldn't be the case - clearance levels should be based on what actually makes sense in RP, not what OOC levelling expectations would suggest (it shouldn't be that you essentially get higher clearance levels the more the player is experienced, it should be based on their character/role).
• Encourages Nu-7 to actually be in the areas they are intended to be in, like surface and compound
  • They're often instead just in random areas of the site essentially acting as an expanded GSD. Surface level seems to often be completely abandoned at times. This has three issues: it doesn't make sense in RP for compound/garage to remain unguarded for long periods of time, it shifts other departments' roles and opportunities to Nu-7, and it means that CI raids can just easily get to LCZP uncontested and without warning. This issue comes and goes, but is recurring and is heavily dependent on things like who is online, and the general state of Nu-7 and its leadership at any given time.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:

• Nu-7 can't support E-11 and the like as easily
  • Enlisteds shouldn't be going off on their own in places like LHCZ and whatever anyway. They should have their superiors with them, or be under supervision of the people actually in charge of those areas.
• People want to have higher clearance levels because it makes them feel special, even if they don't actually need it for their role
  • I get wanting to have more because you've done more or are a more experienced player or whatever, but this should be based more on your current role, not your OOC time spent or whatever. As it is, it would make more sense for roles like SRU or Tech Expert to be CL3 over Nu-7 Enlisteds, because they're at least supposed to be within the site all the time, and more often be in places like D-block vents or SCP chambers respectively.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It just makes RP sense, and it is a good step towards both unflattening the current "CL3 is the default" expectation, and setting clearance levels based on what actually makes sense and is needed more generally.

 

[Julien White]

+support

 

[ionboy64]

-support

Outside of the fact of updating the knowledge guide, SAs having to actually do it and implement on both servers for every keypad they need, it makes absolutely 0 sense from a lore or server perspective.

AMTF Nu-7 is based primarily out of Armed Bio-Containment Area-14 and is tasked with responding to incidents involving loss of communication with major Foundation facilities under circumstances wherein a site-wide breach, enemy compromise, or other similarly catastrophic event is suspected.

Nu7 have the option to deal with ALOT on the UK especially, they are there to combat GOIs and invasions but also: provide security for Sr members of staff, assist other departments when required (such as E11 or GSD) and serve as a general support unit like they're supposed to be.

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

Aw shucks. Guess that nu7 enlisted cant capture surface anymore if they dont know they exist!

-Support
I dont see any point in this regardless and it takes attention away from nu7. Might as well just give AO officers and commanders CL2, because do they really need a CL4? O5 council? More like O2 council! The administrator? More like cl3 keycard! (im so funny ahahhaahahahahah)

 

[Jack Edwards (Spoon)]

-Jack Seal of Disapproval
MTFs are naturally higher ranking then security in terms of clearance level and knowledge. In addition to this Nu-7 often needs to combat CL 3 SCPs due to severe breaches or said breaches reaching surface. Also a CL 2 Nu-7 requires a CL 2 exit to Foundation, meaning CI will have a cake walk getting through garage and Techies can just, open the door.

 

[YandereMuffin]

Funny CI nerf.

You make an appeal to it being more logical but most MTF's in lore have CL3, it is more uncommon then it is common to see ones with less.

This is for everyone, "Clearance Level" in "Lore" is the most unbalanced and under utilised things. Barely ever are MTF actually described as having any number based clearance level in lore since the system doesn't make a lot of sense.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of real companies, or just with a brain and some thought, can realise that not all people equal in knowledge level are allowed to access the same things. Two different "Clearance Level 3" roles do and should have different knowledge - I mean just consider our actual server.

CL3 AO generally know more than CL3 E-11, and that CL3 E-11 generally knows more than random CL3 Security Officer.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Aw shucks. Guess that nu7 enlisted cant capture surface anymore if they dont know they exist!

What? Why would the existence of surface be CL3+ info...?

Also a CL 2 Nu-7 requires a CL 2 exit to Foundation, meaning CI will have a cake walk getting through garage and Techies can just, open the door.

or access overrides given as appropriate

You can just say "I didn't read the suggestion." There's no shame in it.

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The amount of mald in replies in astonishing. It's like someone makes an even slightly controversial take and you all lose your minds. At this point imma pull the

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Because I am seriously questioning the level of maturity being brought to this discussion. Why is it when it comes to Zen, the community always unreasonably toxic? A lot of the behaviour on display here is really unnecessary. Did the heat get to you all or something? There's no way this is just me being curmudgeonly.

 

[mradam_123]

my guy, this is not zenith

Bro they twisted the lore so much it’s not even SCP anymore

 

[Average member podidski]

Bro they twisted the lore so much it’s not even SCP anymore

ehh, still SCP but its now "Good guys vs Bad Guys" like star wars lore

 

[Average member podidski]

Because I am seriously questioning the level of maturity being brought to this discussion. Why is it when it comes to Zen, the community always unreasonably toxic? A lot of the behaviour on display here is really unnecessary. Did the heat get to you all or something?

 

[mradam_123]

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The amount of mald in replies in astonishing. It's like someone makes an even slightly controversial take and you all lose your minds. At this point imma pull the

Because I am seriously questioning the level of maturity being brought to this discussion. Why is it when it comes to Zen, the community always unreasonably toxic? A lot of the behaviour on display here is really unnecessary. Did the heat get to you all or something

Because this is just a stupid suggestion and I will explain why.

Recruitment: this will discourage players from joining Nu7 as the the requirements on both servers require from levels at least one CL3 job so why would anyone join Nu7 just to become a CL2 when we have DEA with a CL3 from the lowest job.

In lore: As per the universe hub in the SCP Wiki (which is a median that a lot of authors use to have some sort of structure)MTF operatives are generally CL3 with some exceptions such as A-1 having higher knowledge and clearance (which is true on the US server as they are considered clearance 3.5)

Also side note I don’t see any toxicity towards zen aside from a few jabs and people making fun of the suggestion and how ridiculous it is.

 

[mradam_123]

ehh, still SCP but its now "Good guys vs Bad Guys" like star wars lore

They changed the clearance levels because they were lazy to stop the higher ups to stop people (higher ups) from abusing it

 

[mradam_123]

+ Support
I think this is an appropriate change and better reflects Nu-7's actual statistics, being a battalion-strength task force with hundreds of men. Reducing the amount of CL3 roles on the server should be something that occurs, because when everyone is special - no one is special.

This should better incentivise Nu-7 doing their jobs on surface, and teach newcomers to MTF their core duties, rather than being able to freely access 95% of the site's doors.

CL3 is not supposed to be special in lore it is literally the most common clearance

 

[mradam_123]

-Jack Seal of Disapproval
MTFs are naturally higher ranking than security in terms of clearance level and knowledge. In addition to this Nu-7 often needs to combat CL 3 SCPs due to severe breaches or said breaches reaching surface. Also a CL 2 Nu-7 requires a CL 2 exit to Foundation, meaning CI will have a cake walk getting through garage and Techies can just, open the door.

Best security chief btw

 

[Merrick Travolta]

I can see this, but honestly, speaking from experience as E-11 CPT, I think that E-11 PVTs & SPCs should also be CL2.

E-11 enlisteds needing override to 99% of HCZ as well as not being the correct clearance to know about all of the SCP's in that area is wild, Unless you make an exeception about the knowledge.. in which case.. what is the point really?

 

[Broda]

Gonna make a suggestion to ban you from making suggestions

 

[Sceptre]

Unless you make an exeception about the knowledge.. in which case.. what is the point really?

i mean?? everything?? the scp foundation compartmentalizes information in pretty much every aspect - why would every CL3 suddenly know intricate details of all CL3 anomalies? they don't, why would a CL3 Office Staffer need to know about the anomalies in gruesome detail?

point is; people are given info as they need it, if they need it - a CL3 SCP doesn't immediately equate to all CL3s having access to it's files

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Recruitment: this will discourage players from joining Nu7 as the the requirements on both servers require from levels at least one CL3 job so why would anyone join Nu7 just to become a CL2 when we have DEA with a CL3 from the lowest job.

You're saying a lot of words here, but none of it has rebut anything I've raised so far in this thread - If anything, you're just proving the point I made about people overly attaching worth to clearance. People aren't seeing clearance for the fuzziness it is and instead as strict boxes to throw everything in, especially in a way not conducive to roleplay.

In lore: As per the universe hub in the SCP Wiki (which is a median that a lot of authors use to have some sort of structure)MTF operatives are generally CL3 with some exceptions such as A-1 having higher knowledge and clearance

CL3 is not supposed to be special in lore it is literally the most common clearance

Balance > Lore. Establish balance first, then contextualise IC why things are that way. The lore is not some immutable arbiter that must be strictly followed to the letter.

Also side note I don’t see any toxicity towards zen aside from a few jabs and people making fun of the suggestion and how ridiculous it is.

Wild take.

E-11 enlisteds needing override to 99% of HCZ as well as not being the correct clearance to know about all of the SCP's in that area is wild, Unless you make an exeception about the knowledge.. in which case.. what is the point really?

I mean, we've had the clairvoyance act on UK that allows researchers as low as CL1, CL4 knowledge with approval. This would surely just be a similar thing. I don't think that having people closed to the idea that there are situations where someone can personally be specifically cleared for higher information than they're cleared for (Which is the case with E-11 anyway, as the CL3 operatives have limited CL4 SCP knowledge) is especially conducive to roleplay.

 

[Sceptre]

As per the universe hub in the SCP Wiki (which is a median that a lot of authors use to have some sort of structure)MTF operatives are generally CL3

Source? I don't think it states anywhere really about specific Clearance Levels for MTF lol

considered clearance 3.5

clearance level 3.5 does not exist at all

so why would anyone join Nu7 just to become a CL2

Because they're two fundamentally different roles with different purposes

 

[Zen]

Source? I don't think it states anywhere really about specific Clearance Levels for MTF lol

I think they're talking about this, which mentions:

Most [...] Mobile Task Force operatives hold a Level 3 security clearance.

Which both is only one single page that says that, and also specifically says most, not all. It also specifies that things like Field Agents often have CL2, so I don't see why enlisted soldiers in an AMTF Nu-7 detachment that primarily uses conventional weaponry, usually only fights two specific SCPs or just regular humans, and who have superiors of a higher clearance that can just open doors and explain things if Nu-7 PVT 'Special Boy' needs to know the specifics on how SCP-8837 works other than "Scrantons work, shoot it if it's hostile and recontain it" (which any random CL1 on site could tell you).

That page also mentions that only MTF Commanders usually have CL4, so if they're going to claim it as an absolute source of truth on this, then let's reduce Nu-7 and E-11 Officers to CL3, then.

 

[mradam_123]

I think they're talking about this, which mentions:

Which both is only one single page that says that, and also specifically says most, not all. It also specifies that things like Field Agents often have CL2, so I don't see why enlisted soldiers in an AMTF Nu-7 detachment that primarily uses conventional weaponry, usually only fights two specific SCPs or just regular humans, and who have superiors of a higher clearance that can just open doors and explain things if Nu-7 PVT 'Special Boy' needs to know the specifics on how SCP-8837 works other than "Scrantons work, shoot it if it's hostile and recontain it" (which any random CL1 on site could tell you).

That page also mentions that only MTF Commanders usually have CL4, so if they're going to claim it as an absolute source of truth on this, then let's reduce Nu-7 and E-11 Officers to CL3, then.

I hope you realize that it also lists MTFs such as E-11 and AO aswell as Nu7 having special permission. Also the field agents on the server are a surface cover up for special agents so CI don’t get their Cl4 keycards