Denied Make SCP-073 aka "Cain" worth playing and make him assist in research and easier to recontain.

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Let SCP-073 partake in research rp and assist researchers and give him CL 3 and a clipboard. Cain will also be able to credit Researchers, GSD, and D-Class. Researchers who utilize Cain in their experiments will be forced to give credit to him in their documentation. Also allows Researchers to credit Cain and award him with SCP XP. Cain's credit's must be approved by CL 4+.

Separate idea, give Cain a tolerance meter. He might be immortal and reflect damage but Cain still feels pain. Make it so when the meter empties, he cannot sprint and must walk or stand still to gain his tolerance back. Obviously standing still will regenerate the meter quicker. This will deter Cain players from intentionally bodyblocking bullets. Cain at a low or empty tolerance bar can be beamed by one person (PLEASE! DO NOT KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS! CAIN IS OBNOXIOUS! Needing the entirety of E-11 and GSD to beam Cain is ridiculous).

Also, let SCP's sit down in chairs. Poor 049 has a chair and a bed and cannot use it ;(

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Pretty sure he used to do this until they scrapped the idea, now he is worthless.
Possible Positives of the suggestion:
Enhances Rp and gives incentive to playing Cain, gives an opportunity to allow Cain to teach Jr and CL 2 Researchers the layout of the site and knowledge of SCP's according to the researcher's clearance level. Allows Cain to be recontained easier, eliminates minging on Cain by bodyblocking bullets and allowing for easier recontainment.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Possible Credit abuse, Minging as Cain with a CL 3 would be insane. Possible implementation issues regarding tolerance meter. (A possible workaround to the tolerance meter would be to set his HP at 100 so he can be beamed by one person almost insantly similar to 999).

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
This suggestion NEEDS to be accepted at least partially. Cain currently has no purpose other than to troll, and he is only able to be dealt with by Staff because it is almost impossible to get 12-13 people available to beam him.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

honestly i would not be surprised if an 073 rework is in the works, people mostly just minge on 073 -
it's kind of a useless role that is largely detracting from the rest of the server as that's a player on that role with no real ability or direction to do anything.

i personally think tthat the entire SCP should be overhauled and made into a like, entry level whitelist SCP with a valuable, but difficult to obtain sampling material and more options for roleplay.

also agree with SCPs needing to be able to sit down and such, not sure why it's disabled for them, might be that it can cause them to get stuck or some other problems, but i hope any issues with it can be sorted out as it's largely a missed opportunity. i would love to encourage SCP roleplay.
+Major Support

 

[Gasmask Person]

You making the text all black when its on a grey background kinda annoys me, +Support anyways since this is something what oughta be done.

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

Minging as Cain with a CL 3 would be insane.

maybe CL3 with CL2 bio? Would definitely reduce potential minging

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

maybe CL3 with CL2 bio? Would definitely reduce potential minging

Cain on his way to activate D-Block lockdown be like:

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

honestly i would not be surprised if an 073 rework is in the works, people mostly just minge on 073 -
it's kind of a useless role that is largely detracting from the rest of the server as that's a player on that role with no real ability or direction to do anything.

i personally think tthat the entire SCP should be overhauled and made into a like, entry level whitelist SCP with a valuable, but difficult to obtain sampling material and more options for roleplay.

also agree with SCPs needing to be able to sit down and such, not sure why it's disabled for them, might be that it can cause them to get stuck or some other problems, but i hope any issues with it can be sorted out as it's largely a missed opportunity. i would love to encourage SCP roleplay.
+Major Support

pretty sure the only reason SCP's cannot sit down is because when you sit down for example to play chess, you cannot be restrained or shot. It's to avoid a staff issue I am pretty sure. But anyone who does that as an SCP to avoid recontainment deserves a staff punishment, let SCP's sit down to enhance rp. I wanna sit down as 049 during interviews man!

 

[Emilia Foddg]

pretty sure the only reason SCP's cannot sit down is because when you sit down for example to play chess, you cannot be restrained or shot. It's to avoid a staff issue I am pretty sure. But anyone who does that as an SCP to avoid recontainment deserves a staff punishment, let SCP's sit down to enhance rp. I wanna sit down as 049 during interviews man!

i'm pretty sure only those like specific seats make you invincible, if you have someone sit on something with the key combo, they can still be killed and cuffed and such. try it.

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

i'm pretty sure only those like specific seats make you invincible, if you have someone sit on something with the key combo, they can still be killed and cuffed and such. try it.

Will do that, thanks.

 

[Bohemia]

- Support for CL3
+/- on everything else

Just make him whitelisted but thats SOOOO much work

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

- Support for CL3
+/- on everything else

Just make him whitelisted but thats SOOOO much work

"Just make him whitelisted" but he is worthless! That would make him even more obsolete!

 

[Emilia Foddg]

"Just make him whitelisted" but he is worthless! That would make him even more obsolete!

rework AND whitelist. whitelist would justify being able to give it more tools for roleplay without minges abusing it

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

rework AND whitelist. whitelist would justify being able to give it more tools for roleplay without minges abusing it

I'll agree to the whitelist if he gets CL 3. That way Cain gets more opportunity to assist people like a dying cadet who needs to get into an armory for health or armor, etc. Cain is meant to assist foundation and the way he is now is depressing. Cain escorting a techie through lower HCZ to fix teslas would go so hard!!!

 

[grunger]

Locking 073 behind a whitelist could remove the need for a tolerance meter, since IIRC intentionally entering combat as 073 is already FailRP and requiring a whitelist makes it somewhat easier to punish repeat offenses.

+

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I'll agree to the whitelist if he gets CL 3.

yeah, being whitelisted would probably be the ONLY way he ever gets CL3 - but then that whitelist will justify other tools as i said - and in turn, those tools should help revive 073 as a useful job

 

[Senior Ambassador Sledge]

I think the WL is a great work around to the tolerance meter idea, and much easier to implement. I'd gun for that 073 WL so quickly.

EDIT: To clarify, make him WL but give him CL 3 with it. Do not keep him as is and make him WL as it would literally kill him as a role.

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

Cain on his way to activate D-Block lockdown be like:

yes i want this

 

[Kevin Ki]

+Support

Bro if GSD gets the immortal stun stick research should get the immortal nerd.

 

[Niox]

Also, let SCP's sit down in chairs. Poor 049 has a chair and a bed and cannot use it ;(

this is the only thing that matters to me
cain is cool and all, but sitting in chairs is next level
+Support

 

[Geronimo]

+ / - Neutral
I agree that SCP-073 requires a rework, I just personally believe that this is not the way to go about it unless it becomes a whitelist.

 

[Pyro]

Rework and whitelisting is the only viable option tbh.