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Your in-game name: Kvalax
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:165944954
Ban Reason: MRDM + Baiting
Date of ban: 08/09/2024
Who banned you: Steven + Drew
Ban length: 2 weeks
What will you do to stop this from happening again: I just want to give some context.
Yesterday, I was flying a drone around their base (not over, around scouting out vehicles and potential FOBs they had outside their base as well as for potential people leaving the base on their own that I could assign my regiment to Kidnap). They shot it down, Jimmy said it was against the rules for them to shoot it down as it had never flown over NATO controlled airspace such as Compounds. If they owned Compounds (they didnt), they would need to give a 10 Second Warning to leave as per the ROE. Lots of NATO engaged the Drone and Jimmy said that there was too many people involved however NATO were at fault.
Today, we do the same. We scout an FOB that they have outside their base and wait near it for unsuspecting victims leaving the base alone to Kidnap as well as to gather intel on the vehicles they have in their base. We were NOT flying over their air space as currently, we owned all the map and Compound was neutral meaning they require 10 seconds warning before being able to engage the drone. They did NOT give 10 seconds and instead, engaged upon the drone, breaking ROE.
The SGRU positioned outside the base ready to kidnap then engaged the individuals shooting the drone (which ROE allows).
The reasons in which we were banned for war:
1.15 - Don't Bait - Baiting in order to allow you/someone else to break a server rule is not allowed. (i.e. purposefully getting yourself kidnapped or walking into the enemy base in order to allow your teammates to open fire on the enemy).
None of us baited, we did not break server rules nor did we plan to. We were using the Drone (Gaz was flying) to look for Hostages as well as to gather intel on the enemy base vehicles hence why we had a 9 seated vehicle instead of a Gaz/4x4.
The next rule I’ll bring your attention to is:
1.01 - Don't RDM/VDM - Do not kill another player without a valid roleplay reason to do so.
The reason this is NOT mass rdm is because we had a valid roleplay reason to engage those inside of the NATO base that were shooting the drone that did NOT come over NATO base (I’ll gather the rules on the helicopters/drones shortly).
I’d like to bring your attention to the first line of ROE in the Civil Networks rules.
Section 5: Rules of engagement
Peacetime:
Other sides are KOS if they fire upon, attack, or threaten(Must be threatening in person) to kill a friendly infantry, vehicle, or structure.
As per Rules of Engagement in Peacetime, NATO engaged a drone (wrongfully), and therefore shot the drone which we can agree classes as a Vehicle meaning that NATO shooting the drone are technically KOS. It’s clear cut, you can engage the NATO that shot the drone. What NATO can not do however, is KOS a drone that is not ‘firing, attacking or threatening to kill a friendly infantry, vehicle or structure’. If the drone went above their base it would be completely fine however the problem is, IT DIDNT.
Just to add salt to the wound, there is a rule directly stating that:
You may KOS any non-friendly Helicopter/Drone flying over the friendly base.
As stated multiple times, the Drone was not over NATO base and therefore was NOT KOS
Why should you be unbanned: I didn't break server rules.
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