Denied Prevent Meta Against Type-Blues Better

[ToasterStrudels]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the health of every D-Class job so it's hidden from everyone.
Remove "Type Blue" on the tab list as a job to prevent people from metagaming who it is.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I know of

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
It'll make it nearly impossible to meta who the type blue is.
It'll create a little more RP for people who go inside the medical line and get denied treatment because "your health is at 100"

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
There are none.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It should be accepted because as it is right now Type Blue sucks due to how easily you can metagame it. You can stay away from all windows and keep your distance killing people but someone will see either your name in the tab list as a "Type Blue" and radio it in or see your health and radio in your type blue. its extremely frustrating playing it because a lot of people do this and it's impossible to tell if they did meta or not unless you record your entire session as a type blue.

 

[Sylveon]

In Regards to health HUD, there was a prior suggestion accepted, and they don't want to out rite disable the Health Bar.

Accepted - Health Display Change

What does this suggestion change/add/remove: Within this suggestion, I would like to propose the changing of the HUD above players names to remove the "Health" bar and replace it with a red tint that displays on your name depending on your health value. So, for example, if you are 90 to 100...

www.civilgamers.com

In terms of removing the tag, it wouldn't matter if the health didn't give the D-Class away.

 

[ToasterStrudels]

In Regards to health HUD, there was a prior suggestion accepted, and they don't want to out rite disable the Health Bar.

Accepted - Health Display Change

What does this suggestion change/add/remove: Within this suggestion, I would like to propose the changing of the HUD above players names to remove the "Health" bar and replace it with a red tint that displays on your name depending on your health value. So, for example, if you are 90 to 100...

www.civilgamers.com

In terms of removing the tag, it wouldn't matter if the health didn't give the D-Class away.

I like the suggestion you linked but I think changing it to say "Healthy" "Injured" "Wounded" and "Near Death" would work good too. The nametag in the tab list should be removed by default. As long as Type-Blues stay away from glass they won't be metagamed. I've had times where I was called out even when I did my killings near bathrooms.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

+Overwhelming Support
would be a great change to both RP realism and metagame prevention in general

 

[Stealth]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the health of every D-Class job so it's hidden from everyone.
Remove "Type Blue" on the tab list as a job to prevent people from metagaming who it is.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I know of

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
It'll make it nearly impossible to meta who the type blue is.
It'll create a little more RP for people who go inside the medical line and get denied treatment because "your health is at 100"

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
There are none.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It should be accepted because as it is right now Type Blue sucks due to how easily you can metagame it. You can stay away from all windows and keep your distance killing people but someone will see either your name in the tab list as a "Type Blue" and radio it in or see your health and radio in your type blue. its extremely frustrating playing it because a lot of people do this and it's impossible to tell if they did meta or not unless you record your entire session as a type blue.

Going to be honest,

This seems like something that can easily be enforced by staff without the need for such,

Yes it would benefit it slightly, but there'd still be if not more metagaming around it

 

[ToasterStrudels]

Going to be honest,

This seems like something that can easily be enforced by staff without the need for such,

Yes it would benefit it slightly, but there'd still be if not more metagaming around it

That isn't the point. It's extremely hard to prove metagame against Type Blue with how it works now. This change will prevent any type of metagame against D-Class and Type Blues.

EDIT: Gonna explain a little more here.

When someone becomes a Type-Blue and it becomes known that there is one inside D-Block there are some people who will look at the TAB menu and see D-8042 is a Type-Blue. They'll call it out because they know they've been killing people even without seeing the D-Class and what his numbers are. Nobody will question it either because most people wouldn't think twice about it. The only way to combat metagaming against Type-Blues is recording your entire session as one and we should not have to do that at all. If this change gets implemented then they'll actually have to learn who it is through RP and investigating D-Block. As for the other part of the suggestion. Hiding health bars would make it so medics would be forced to take D-Class to medbay and actually RP with them. I've been told countless times as a D-Class "Your at 100 you don't need medical" which is just straight up metagame.

 

[grunger]

Hiding health bars would make it so medics would be forced to take D-Class to medbay and actually RP with them. I've been told countless times as a D-Class "Your at 100 you don't need medical" which is just straight up metagame.

The health bar is a representation of your bodily health, since damage doesn't actually show through your model. Calling this metagame would be like someone claiming their legs were broken despite their legs being fully intact. There needs to be some indication of health or else these complications arise. The coloured health bar is enough, its percentage-based which serves the original anti-metagame purpose without removing common sense.

EDIT: I think DCTB should be hidden from the tab menu, just disagree with removing health bars entirely.

 

[ToasterStrudels]

The health bar is a representation of your bodily health, since damage doesn't actually show through your model. Calling this metagame would be like someone claiming their legs were broken despite their legs being fully intact. There needs to be some indication of health or else these complications arise. The coloured health bar is enough, its percentage-based which serves the original anti-metagame purpose without removing common sense.

EDIT: I think DCTB should be hidden from the tab menu, just disagree with removing health bars entirely.

The point I'm trying to get across is people use health bars to ignore RP and Metagame. It's used for more harm than good. If I go into the medical line and claim I'm hurt or sick but they see my health at 100 and refuse to treat me it's boring. All they need to do is remove it from the tab menu and find a way to where people can't see who's type blue and who isn't based on their health.

 

[Mars]

+support tb's are usually just followed by people when they see that a d-class TB is being escorted for a test and its impossible to prove it, would be good!!

You could also just like change the whitelist name on the tab-menu to regular d-class too

 

[Niox]

depends how long the suggestion mentioned above is going to take to be implemented
+/-Neutral

 

[ToasterStrudels]

+support tb's are usually just followed by people when they see that a d-class TB is being escorted for a test and its impossible to prove it, would be good!!

You could also just like change the whitelist name on the tab-menu to regular d-class too

Yep. This is exactly what happened with me. I was taken to LCZ inanimate and I had 3 GSD and 2 Combat Medics follow me just to look at a painting. Even when Captains asked them to leave they wouldn't.

depends how long the suggestion mentioned above is going to take to be implemented
+/-Neutral

They should prioritize removing it from the tab list considering you can still be hidden inside D-Block.

 

[Niox]

They should prioritize removing it from the tab list considering you can still be hidden inside D-Block.

what the banana that wasn’t apart of the suggestion!

sure why not it helps

 

[Boris.]

+/-Neutral

Seems like a lot to do, just to protect TB, I agree metagaming of TB is for sure a problem, but probably take awhile to be put in place.

 

[ToasterStrudels]

what the banana that wasn’t apart of the suggestion!

sure why not it helps

It was unless I worded it weirdly.

 

[David Monberry]

+Major Support
For not showing health and showing something else it would make for alot better RP for all and prevent metagaming.

 

[Bill Nye The Guy]

+-neutral tbh they should just make everybody's health bar be an actual bar of health that shows a %age of their max HP

 

[Basharhalo]

-Support
Cope

 

[ToasterStrudels]

-Support
Cope

If you aren't going to give valid criticism or provide an argument as to why this shouldn't be accepted then please don't comment at all.

 

[Basharhalo]

If you aren't going to give valid criticism or provide an argument as to why this shouldn't be accepted then please don't comment at all.

Criticism which I don't feel like typing out so I'm just gonna state a opinion. Nothing wrong with that right?
Anyways:

-People can already see who TB is from the TAB menu, Wouldn't help with metagaming much
-If a Dclass says they need healing then a doctor would very obviously be able to see the wounds IC unless its a fracture or sickness
-Just call a sit??? Waste of dev time for nothing

 

[Emilia Foddg]

-People can already see who TB is from the TAB menu, Wouldn't help with metagaming much

suggestion is literally saying to remove this as well

-If a Dclass says they need healing then a doctor would very obviously be able to see the wounds IC unless its a fracture or sickness

people are dumb IC. you can have like a leftover effect from a 1032 test and go up to the line, medical looks at your health, see it's at 100 and says "no you're fine"

-Just call a sit??? Waste of dev time for nothing

...or we could free up staff time for other matters by making health value less explicit about how much health someone has and reduce metagaming. this is one of those things you do want to ideally enforce mechanically. was also explained that metagame sits against d-class TB are often hard to resolve because there's no clear tell that the other person just went off of health/tab menu