Denied Remove the ability to call nuke if 008 is within the Entrance Zone, or Floor-2.

[Kito]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the ability for Site-Command to immediately call a nuke when an 008-2 instance is on EZ or F2. It makes no sense as they are still contained within the site & have a VERY high chance of being killed by turrets and/ or ERT/ GOC/ MTF.
NOTE: This does NOT restrict SC's ability to call a nuke when 008-2 instances are ON SURFACE; just on F2 and/ or EZ.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+ Better 008-2 breaches
+ Less nukes/ less ability for Site-Command to immediately cause an RP reset
+ More RP & fun for most if not all factions
+ Rare 008-2 breaches get to continue for longer

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Site-Command can't ruin the server's fun and/ or RP as easily.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
The most recent nuke that happened (4:42 PM 4/25/2023) was universally disliked by most MTF, GOC, CI, & the breached SCPs. The nuke was triggered because a single 008-2 instance made it up the elevator to F2, without getting into lobby or even touching turrets, resulting in an instant nuke trigger by the Ethics Committee.

Every. Single. Person in OOC was upset about it, as GOC were waiting at garage with an APC, Nerve gas, Nitros, a Jugg, & multiple strike team members, as well as E-11 starting to retake the breach, & multiple persons having fun within the site. You can see the OOC reactions here as well as my own and a few GOC.

ERT wasn't even allowed to be called in, & the breach had only occurred for maybe 10-15 minutes as far as I was aware(as a GOC). The UN requested an update multiple times, all of which were ignored until the final time in which the nuke was called anyways.

I don't think I am alone in thinking it was a fail nuke, nor was it properly justified & felt more like the EC finding any small reason to activate the warhead & do an RP reset. It felt unrealistic, & generally malicious.

 

[Second]

-Support SCP-008 is a complex prion, it would infect Pinewood, CI, and GOC, and spread like wildfire. Never seen an easier -support.

The reason you are suggesting this is because they nuked instead of letting GOC help with a breach. It's just not a valid reason.

Edit: As someone says in your clip, Foundation RP was getting disrupted. GOC RP does not solely rely on Foundation.

 

[DaveDogs]

+ Support

Although the actions taken weren't a violation, it wasn't fun, and it denied a lot of potential roleplay.
I won't go as far as to call it a 'fail nuke'. It was just lame, and guidelines should be shifted to what is listed above.

 

[Darren]

-support US server issue 008s happen almost daily on UK

 

[Critical]

-Support.
The Nuke is there for that exact reason. If 008 gets to the EZ or surface we need to get it dealt with. There are procedures behind using the nuke and the procedure is basically all resources have been used up, a lot of time has been spent trying to deal with it.

 

['Scorpion' | 'Hitman']

EZ and FL2 is the last area before getting to surface. If a single OO8 got to surface it would cause a XK-CLASS extinction event that's why a nuke is required so that doesn't happen.

-SUPPORT

 

[Dan McCarthy]

-Support

Hello Kito. The whole point of the Alpha Warhead is to stop uncontainable breaches from reaching the surface. As for the 008 incident that occurred today, there were many 008-2 instances that made it to EZ which the Alpha Warhead was deployed to stop the infection from leaving the facility and spreading. In an RP since there would be no reason not to call the nuke as the 008-2s were on the brink of leaving the facility putting the mass populace at risk.

 

[Kito]

-Support SCP-008 is a complex prion, it would infect Pinewood, CI, and GOC, and spread like wildfire. Never seen an easier -support.

The reason you are suggesting this is because they nuked instead of letting GOC help with a breach. It's just not a valid reason.

Edit: As someone says in your clip, Foundation RP was getting disrupted. GOC RP does not solely rely on Foundation.

It didn't even get to garage.
It wasn't on surface.
The Foundation RP had been getting disrupted for less than 20 minutes.
Regardless of the situation it's a massive issue because it's a whole server RP reset that could've been avoided easily.
But if you want to go with the complex prion shtick, why don't you nuke as soon as any 008-2s are formed without authorization? or as soon as they leave HCZ? Obviously if the site gets infected, then it'll spill out & infect Pinewood too.

 

[Eriana]

 

[Kito]

-Support

Hello Kito. The whole point of the Alpha Warhead is to stop uncontainable breaches from reaching the surface. As for the 008 incident that occurred today, there were many 008-2 instances that made it to EZ which the Alpha Warhead was deployed to stop the infection from leaving the facility and spreading. In an RP since there would be no reason not to call the nuke as the 008-2s were on the brink of leaving the facility putting the mass populace at risk.

There are 2 turrets, elevators, about 8 GOC with AA, an APC, and LMGs, including a jugg., several MTF were re-taking the site, & the nuke was called before ERT. It was not getting to surface as much as you think it was or would have, and really just felt malicious & shitty.

 

[Second]

It didn't even get to garage.
It wasn't on surface.
The Foundation RP had been getting disrupted for less than 20 minutes.
Regardless of the situation it's a massive issue because it's a whole server RP reset that could've been avoided easily.
But if you want to go with the complex prion shtick, why don't you nuke as soon as any 008-2s are formed without authorization? or as soon as they leave HCZ? Obviously if the site gets infected, then it'll spill out & infect Pinewood too.

It was at the elevator from Lobby to Garage hello?

As a member of GOC, our RP does not revolve around helping clean up SCP breaches. 008 breaches are NOT fun to deal with, they are just annoying. There is 10000000 things you could be doing to engage in RP with F that is not SCP breaches, Kito. I do it all the time. Your RP was not ruined nor was it "shit on" as you described it. In RP, if 008 infected a population this2 would be an XK-Class End of the World scenario. Camp Granada type shit. There was more than enough justification to Nuke to prevent a mass breach of one of the most deadly SCPs known to man.

 

[Second]

There are 2 turrets, elevators, about 8 GOC with AA, an APC, and LMGs, including a jugg., several MTF were re-taking the site, & the nuke was called before ERT. It was not getting to surface as much as you think it was or would have, and really just felt malicious & shitty.

All of the stuff you listed is meaningless when you account for the fact that Type-Green, 7722, 457, 912, and 096 were all with about 20-25 008s on their way to surface with TG just tanking for them with Bullet Freeze.

 

[Kito]

EZ and FL2 is the last area before getting to surface. If a single OO8 got to surface it would cause a XK-CLASS extinction event that's why a nuke is required so that doesn't happen.

-SUPPORT

The issue is that ALL RESOURCES WERE NOT EXPENDED.
GOC was waiting in garage, the instances never made it even past turrets.
MTF were actively re-taking the site, & the GOC had essentially 8 personnel, including a jugg, & an APC, waiting on surface at garage, with all of it's personnel equipped with AA.

 

[Joe "Enoch"]

-Support
If 008 ever gets past floor 2 lobby then its already too late for a nuke once it enters EZ or F2 you need to nuke then or it wont be/or be very hard to contain.

 

[coops]

-SUPPORT
-this idea make no sense

 

[Second]

The issue is that ALL RESOURCES WERE NOT EXPENDED.
GOC was waiting in garage, the instances never made it even past turrets.
MTF were actively re-taking the site, & the GOC had essentially 8 personnel, including a jugg, & an APC, waiting on surface at garage, with all of it's personnel equipped with AA.

All resources were expended. There was a 5 SCP breach moving WITH 008s to surface about to absolutely evaporate everything up there. MTF was not retaking site. Every 008 they killed had 2 more made, ERT wasn't called because by the time Nuke went off Teslas and BH were broken, 008s were in EZ moving from F2 to garage.

 

[Kito]

All of the stuff you listed is meaningless when you account for the fact that Type-Green, 7722, 457, 912, and 096 were all with about 20-25 008s on their way to surface with TG just tanking for them with Bullet Freeze.

It was at the elevator from Lobby to Garage hello?

As a member of GOC, our RP does not revolve around helping clean up SCP breaches. 008 breaches are NOT fun to deal with, they are just annoying. There is 10000000 things you could be doing to engage in RP with F that is not SCP breaches, Kito. I do it all the time. Your RP was not ruined nor was it "shit on" as you described it. In RP, if 008 infected a population this2 would be an XK-Class End of the World scenario. Camp Granada type shit. There was more than enough justification to Nuke to prevent a mass breach of one of the most deadly SCPs known to man.

The Foundation ignores us 95% of the time.
If instances made it to surface it's different, but they didn't, nor did you even let the GOC assist. It just feels like a complete ignorance of RP in favor of not dealing with a breach.
There is still a bulkhead stopping them, plus all of the AA & GOC.
Yea the GOC's RP doesn't revolve around the central RP faction of the server at all. We can make our own RP with civilians, the issue is that there aren't enough, if any, civilians to RP with most of the time, & most aren't very good at RP.
It just sounds like cope to me, plus you never play GOC. I've legit only seen you once on GOC, & the other PSYCHE lead has only seen you once over the span of 2 weeks.

 

[Dinkster]

- Big ol -Support
-This suggestion would help and fix absolutely nothing. 008 is legit a deadly virus and if it gets to surface and EVERYONE is 008, it'd be basically impossible to RC and RP would be ruined for quite a while. Plus I don't see how a foundation site would see a deadly virus making its way to surface and think to themselves "Let's disable our only shot to keep this contained by disabling our nuclear bomb"

 

[Canoon]

Since this relates to the most recent breach, I feel for the benefit of the record that the timeline should be recorded.

00:15 - Breach of 008 by CI
00:19 - 3 Breach SCP - All Electronics destroyed including the tesla gates
00:20 - Reported multiple breaches of 008 into LCZ.
00:25 - Reported D block and PW had fallen
00:27:15 - 008 breached into EZ. Only 7 MTF were left of the original group, 5 of which were trying to hold EZ.
00:27:35 - Advised that EZ had fallen and 008s were breaching towards F3 and F2
00:27:36 - ERT Deployment chance still at 0% - 45+ 008s on site.
00:28:20- Nuke activation
00:28:35- All Level 5 personal killed by 008s
00:29:20 - Alarms sounding
00:29:30 - ERT called
00:30 - Nuke deployment

008 breaches are massively disruptive towards roleplay, hence why we limit them to only allowing limited groups to breach them. As a general rule when it comes to nuking, when its normal breaches (I.E not 008 breaches) we hold off nuking until ERT is deployed.

The issue with 008s are, they don't count as kills for ERT, meaning that most of the site can be affected, but the ERT deployment chance is still 0. Site Command has rules in place when it comes to nuke, it can generally be surmised below.

- Multiple SCP breach where ERT has failed
- Massive 008 Breach that has breached beyond EZ checkpoint.

Now to clarify some of the points you made in the post.

the nuke was triggered because a single 008-2 instance made it up the elevator to F2, without getting into lobby or even touching turrets, resulting in an instant nuke trigger by the Ethics Committee.

The nuke was triggered as there were multiple 008s in the lift to Floor 2. I should know, I had people reporting it.

The UN requested an update multiple times, all of which were ignored until the final time in which the nuke was called anyways.

You forget I was the one that requested you,

(07:27:03) [O-COMMS] Ethics Member Dr. John Canoon M.D : [F-GOC] Emergency. We need backup on site. Please assist.

and when GOC asked what happened, I was the one that responded to you

(07:28:02) [O-COMMS] Ethics Member Dr. John Canoon M.D : [F-GOC] CI have breached 008, and the facililty is contaiminated. In addition, mutliple SCPS have breached.

During that time, Sits were being made that 008s were camping spawns and other players RPs were being ruined and had to be halted. 008 breaches are not designed to last for long periods of time once they are outside of HCZ. There's a reason for that, its the most disruptive feature on the server.

- Support.

 

[Reiner Zufall]

-support
Nukes are only called if ERT failed, sometimes if GOC has been called and they fail too the nuke is the only solution, 008 in EZ always run up to floor 3 and floor 2. RP would be paused for too long as well if the nuke is not allowed just because 008 passed EZ.