Denied Remove Typhoon-12 from CSPECs

[Vizoplez]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Typhoon 12 from containment spec loadout

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
This gun was basically only for B-1 & E-11 breacher for a reason. There's no reason why a job that regularly sits in d-block to farm kills should have something thats on-par with AA.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
People will cry about not having a 1hit KO shotgun anymore (that acts like the SPAZ so you can spamclick it)

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
This should have never been given to containment specs, containment specs never needed this, Containment specs are CL3 and can get their own weapon from the armory as needed. This change was awful and has resulted in typhoon-12's being picked up from dead containment specs and redistributed among gensec.

honestly awful change that has massively reduced the playability of SCPs and D-class, along with CI because you get 2-3 people with Typhoons that deal 2300 DPS.

Literally the 'Frank Mocha' incident but for containment specs.

 

[checkraisefold]

Massive +support. Ethics refuses to bring in the old Code of Ethics regulation that disallows Containment Specialists from staffing D-block, meaning they just sit in D-block all day with no repercussions instead of doing their real job (containing SCPs).

 

[Vizoplez]

Massive +support. Ethics refuses to bring in the old Code of Ethics regulation that disallows Containment Specialists from staffing D-block, meaning they just sit in D-block all day with no repercussions instead of doing their real job (containing SCPs).

My bigger concern is more the DPS than anything ethics related (though this is also a good point to make), unless ordered to by CL4 you literally cannot punish Containment Specs for sitting in d-block and doing gensecs job. No, my bigger point was that this has majorly impacted the playability of the game for:
-Dclass
-SCPs
-Hostile GOIs

Again, it just does SO MUCH DAMAGE, 682 breaches are now even more of a joke than they were previously because their massive, buggy hitbox combined with the typhoon allows cspecs to rack up 10k+ damage in a mag or so (8 seconds) and generally is not very conducive to gameplay loops.

it also made SCPs like 966, 939, 9000 A2/3 also jokes, because half the site have a semi-automatic mag-fed shotgun that fires like its the AA12 from COD4 (and does 120 damage per shot pointblank)

 

[checkraisefold]

My bigger concern is more the DPS than anything ethics related (though this is also a good point to make), unless ordered to by CL4 you literally cannot punish Containment Specs for sitting in d-block and doing gensecs job. No, my bigger point was that this has majorly impacted the playability of the game for:
-Dclass
-SCPs
-Hostile GOIs

Again, it just does SO MUCH DAMAGE, 682 breaches are now even more of a joke than they were previously because their massive, buggy hitbox combined with the typhoon allows cspecs to rack up 10k+ damage in a mag or so (8 seconds) and generally is not very conducive to gameplay loops.

it also made SCPs like 966, 939, 9000 A2/3 also jokes, because half the site have a semi-automatic mag-fed shotgun that fires like its the AA12 from COD4 (and does 120 damage per shot pointblank)

My point with the Ethics thing was exactly that - you can't punish the containment specialists because Ethics refuses to bring the provision into the Foundation Legal Codex, meaning they're allowed in D-block. There is no mechanism to keep them actually doing their job.

Yeah, the DPS for the Typhoon is way too unbalanced. It was a poor decision to add to the job mainly because of this.

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

-Support no i like it. But can CSPECS actually go in d-block??!?!?! WTF?!

 

[Vizoplez]

-Support no i like it. But can CSPECS actually go in d-block??!?!?! WTF?!

Yeah they're allowed to under the new FLC, and the Typhoon isn't counted as a heavy weapon.

 

[moonyguru]

+support no reason for this job to have such a op shotgun for real

 

[Darren]

massive -support as a ci main myself ive had no issues with this typhoon is not that OP as people want you to believe its a not needed change this change made scp breaches a nice balance with containment spec actually being used there IS NO NEED FOR THIS ADDITION

 

[Darren]

39, 9000 A2/3 also jokes, because half the site have a semi-automatic mag-fed shotgun that fires like its the AA12 from COD4 (and does 120 damage per shot pointblank)

Half the site there is 3 containment specialist job slots what crack are you smoking

 

[Darren]

you are acting like this is ruining CI and hostile gois this is not true ive led more ci raids then almost anyone else and this change has made no big difference

 

[Vizoplez]

Half the site there is 3 containment specialist job slots what crack are you smoking

They drop their weapons on death, 3 is also more than both E-11 and B-1 slots with the Typhoon, so yes, they are actually the supermajority here.

 

[Vizoplez]

you are acting like this is ruining CI and hostile gois this is not true ive led more ci raids then almost anyone else and this change has made no big difference

IDK bro I just saw 2 deepcovers get vaporised by a Nu7 who picked up a Cspecs gun. Its a similar problem with breaches where containment specs will end up dying, and someone WILL grab the Typhoon.

 

[Darren]

IDK bro I just saw 2 deepcovers get vaporised by a Nu7 who picked up a Cspecs gun. Its a similar problem with breaches where containment specs will end up dying, and someone WILL grab the Typhoon.

you are schizo you are completely taking shit im legit known as a that CI main ive lead over 500 raids and been in CI since july i can tell you this change made no negative effect to ci i quite literally have no reason to lie

 

[Judge]

+Support
Such a low level job does not deserve an OP gun. What were they thinking giving CS this gun?!

 

[William G Gawber]

MASSIVE - Support Its not OP they need a gun strong like this to tackle SCP's such as 076 682 and 7722 and no they don't farm d class for kills if armed d class are stupid to shoot at containment specialists they are allowed to act upon it and fire back this is just your usual case of salty d class whining when they don't get their own way and plus they must have given this gun to containment specialist for a reason

 

[Snow]

-support

all i hear is gensec mains complaining

 

[Ash]

-support big time, they need the gun to be effective against SCP's such as 682 and 7722. You remove it they that role becomes pointless. If there is an issue with them farming d-class then it is a personal issue with that player not the whole role and its weapons.

 

[Jack Frost]

-Support
This just sounds like yet another dclass main crying because escaping is hard. God forbid CS be actually good and get used for a change

 

[Prophet]

- support
for a while now containment specialists have been practically useless while dealing with scps because the only weapon they had was a pistol that could barely take out hostile people let alone scps. The only way they could get a better one was by going to the armory and the high likely hood was they die right after leaving them to wait another 5 minutes for a weapon which they could hopefully use however now with this containment specialists can actually be of use for once instead of being a waste of a role.

 

[Supergoalie8]

- Support

Sorry these reasons are unvalid in the Lore CSPECs are for the building and first responding wuring Containment breaches. Second They have 3 or 4 slots ONLY. Third they are made for Supporting E11 ind Re-/Containing SCPs. 4th Nothing much to say they are a very little group and on of the hardest level jobs to get, so I THINK this is ABSOLUTLEY fair, because they are there to HELP and ASSIST E11 in Containment breaches, also to give E11 a litle bit of backup if E11 need backup.

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