Removing the nobility system and forced RP on surface

[[PAM-OFC] Isle Khat]

Before I get into this in depth, I want to let the reader know that before the change on surface with the stickied docs, there was an active surface, active civilians, where'd they go? Why is it only PAM and very few actual civis now? Because the staff seen UNGOC bitch to them about civilians, so they made the Mayor and Ranger completely have to listen and follow the UNGOC no matter what they do, especially if the UNGOC kills Rangers or Civilians, or abducting the Mayor without valid RP reason, that document makes the UNGOC able to do whatever they want, whenever they want on surface, giving them the ability to break server rules because they are protected by one.
Thank you for your time, I hope you understood what I had typed out above.
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This Suggestion (if accepted) wishes to remove the UNGOC's out of character rule to the Mayor and Ranger job, I am not only speaking for myself in this matter, there are many others that want the same. This suggestion (if accepted) will change surface RP for the better and make it so many people are happy rather than the select few (UN), it also will remove the documents that are OOC+IC in the spawnpoints of the Ranger and Mayor job.

Yeah there is a specific suggestion that is alike to this one, its another one I had created, it's called "Removing GOC stuff from Ranger & Mayor", this is because I want to write something in response to "World"s reason of denying my first suggestion, this suggestion is different because it will give more insight and the same emphasis the older one had, and to be as informative as possible. The suggestion is labeled as "Resolved"

The main positive of this suggestion is to let civilian/surface RP be like it used to, not talking about minging because I know people are going to pull that, but rather make surface RP less admin ties with what civilians and factions do in game and in character, and civilian/surface RP used to be awesome because the amount of things that held the civilians down was the roleplay aspect and not the ruleplay aspect, now its exactly like foundation, more ruleplay and people being banned because another person is mad for getting bodied when he tried to pick a fight with 6 rangers, a Mayor, and countless civilians...
The other positives are listed below:​

1. More roleplay instead of ruleplay​
2. Less UNGOC making senseless wars against a Canadian town (less RDM from UNGOC)​
3. Agreed upon by a few communities of people​
4. More unique roleplay from civilians instead of the Mayor and Ranger not being able to do anything whatsoever​

The last one is a major thing, I asked an admin in a sit (what am I to do?) and he told me (Just listen to GOC) but the UNGOC hate my guts only because I am PAM, out of character and in character, if you don't believe it, watch this video of them starting an arguement on PAM in mess hall for the sole reason of someone talking about whens a surface update coming out. The video hyperlink is here.

And this was started because the UNGOC people got pressed OOC because of what happened IC, they called sits but I assure you nothing happened to any civs or foundation, the civs didn't participate in the raid because they were too busy being spawncamped by CI snipers because the CI leader issued an order to KOS anyone with a gun out, makes you see what the bullshit is on surface, if there hadn't been any bullshit then this wouldn't of happened.

The possible negatives of this suggestion is listed below:​

1. This would hurt the UNGOC's feelings since they only RP when its in their favor and will never take the L​
2. This would stop the nobility system on surface while it still can​
3. This would make the factions on surface liable for any rule breaks (sorta, 9/10 the admins going to still take their side)​

This suggestion should be accepted because you have already seen it work out, this will really add more civilian RP and less RDM against civilians thats justified through that one document, in the words of a guy that hates PAM that denied the last one named "World",
"Suggestion denied: This change was originally made in light of our effort to increase the possibilities of SurfaceRP on the server. While it doesn't align with your style of roleplay this is still how we envision and would like mayor/rangers to operate."
There is no way for the Mayor or Rangers to operate if the UNGOC hate them both IC and OOC for the reason being that they get their asses kicked whenever they try to kill civilians without reason, it is impossible for me to play Mayor with the UNGOC hating me, but I will still do it until I either get banned or go something else.​

 

[Arthur 'ISD']

+support privatize pinewood

 

[Dman109]

+support justice for pinewood!

 

[Dman109]

The whole thing with GOC and mayor doesn’t make sense because he’s supposed to report crazy anomalies to them but then he just goes on his day? He is supposed to disregard them otherwise like unless GOC did some crazy brain surgery to remove the part that wants to scream when ever there is a massive beast. In addition I disagree with the fact the mayor knows they are GOC and stuff but can’t enter and he doesn’t know what they do? Why have the real name if he doesn’t know anything else.

 

[YandereMuffin]

The whole thing with GOC and mayor doesn’t make sense because he’s supposed to report crazy anomalies to them but then he just goes on his day?

Yes? I mean every single GOC, CI, and Foundation operative does this everyday and they know way more than an average Mayor does, and a Mayor could still do RP about attempting to find out more but it just wouldn't be as hostile and as "/oc anomalies are real" as someone like a Parawatch would be.

For the second part, peoples information can be limited, most CL1 Foundation don't really know what the GOC is / does, they just kind of see them occasionally and most of them don't question it any further.

 

[Lightsoulist]

oh yeah btw
+support specifically to segment it off from GOC
Not saying it was bad idea, but the idea to completely lock in a surface job into 1 specific way they're supposed to act isn't conducive to a very liked job because it not having any of the freedom(like the gun????) other jobs on surface have. A lot of people on the jobs are minges I won't disagree, but locking it so they can only really act 1 way kinda aint a good thing imo.

 

[Niox]

Please keep respectful in the replies to this post, Leave your + or - Support, Your Reason and move on.

remove O5
anyways +Support leaning towards +/-Neutral

 

[Lightsoulist]

remove O5

remake the suggestion
it'd be funny

 

[Niox]

remake the suggestion
it'd be funny

round 2 electric boogaloo

 

[Dman109]

Yes? I mean every single GOC, CI, and Foundation operative does this everyday and they know way more than an average Mayor does, and a Mayor could still do RP about attempting to find out more but it just wouldn't be as hostile and as "/oc anomalies are real" as someone like a Parawatch would be.

For the second part, peoples information can be limited, most CL1 Foundation don't really know what the GOC is / does, they just kind of see them occasionally and most of them don't question it any further.

Yes but that’s not a good comparison as the GOC has nothing to do with them and has everything to do with the mayor. Additionally clearance 1 personal treat them as another GOI and it’s a valid assumption they do pretty much same stuff they do or CI does. The difference is the mayor has no idea what goes on in there but he knows they are secretive. It’s not the same as a clearance 1 not knowing about GOC because they know that they know what scps are while the mayor knows nothing of the sorts. And for the first paragraph you wrote that’s also just not fair because the mayor knows he’s not supposed to say stuff to the population. The RP would mainly be trying to figure out what it is and this could branch out RP into classifying it scientifically. For example they could make the argument that something happend to a normal deer and it made it this way. They could then go around questioning people such as mc&d. Would they say anything? No but it’s actual RP instead of an emotionless robot mayor who just reports everything he sees to GOC. And my point about how the mayor knows it’s the global occult coalition makes no sense because with that knowledge he knows they are hiding something from the general population but he doesn’t know why.

 

[Kevin Ki]

+Support

This was the dumbest ruling to ever come out, surface for once in God knows how long was getting RP and an active player base, it was having combat of info breaches and people having fun.

But then the fire na- I mean, SL decided "Mmm, the only defendable place is having things happen on it? NOT ON MY WATCH!" and made a ruling to kill it all. Heck even the US GOC GEN at the time hated the ruling, staff legit spoke with no one but themselves about it, despite most not even playing in any surface reg.

 

[Dman109]

I like certain people in GOC but some just power trip and dont even RP. Like If I work for them they shouldnt let me get kidnapped and taken hostage so easily.