Rule Suggestion Restrict on the spot "rulings" to SSL+

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove?
This completely removes the ability for Server Leadership (except SSL+) to make rulings on the spot. Instead, rulings must be made via edits (as intended) to the existing Staff Rulings thread on the forums, or modifications to the existing rules. Verbal rulings will no longer be allowed.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?


My suggestion is different because it removes the ability for normal SL to issue verbal rule clarifications, some of which may be completely contradictory to what is listed on the server rules.

Possible Positives of the Suggestion (At least 2):
- Less confusion. Everyone here has experienced a time where SL has made a ruling that is either completely contrary or completely different than what is literally listed on the rules sheet. Some people even get warned due to these "rulings".
- More bureaucracy (which in this case is a good thing!). The Staff & SL team must work together to get staff rulings or rule changes approved as to just doing it on their own volition.

Possible Negatives of the Suggestion:
- Nothing! I sincerely think every CN player would thoroughly enjoy this change.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted?
I think this is a shot in the dark on whether or not it will be accepted, but I as well as tons of other CN players have came across times where we've been pulled to a staff room and told "You can't do this". We make the argument of "Well the rules and staff rulings thread doesn't say that" and get told "Well I'm SL and I'm making a ruling on it right now". However, this is not written down anywhere. This leads to some of the same staff involved warning others for rulings that are quite literally not listed on the rules that we're supposed to follow.

While I enjoy my time here in Civil Networks, this is the only community I have been in that has had so many verbal changes to the rules by SL, it's incredibly hard to follow. One my ask - why not just adjust the staff ruling thread? Why not add/remove rules from the rules list? Every single other community manages to do this yet we do not see Civil Networks do it. If you look in the changelogs channel on Discord there has been 5 rule adjustments since early February, 3 of which revolve around the new SCPs. This is despite staff insisting there are new rulings in place "behind the scenes".

Overall, this should be accepted because we simply cannot follow rules we don't know about, and I think a lot of us are being tired of being pulled to sits for something an SL says is against the rules, but is not literally written down on either the Staff Rulings thread or the SCP-RP Server Rules.

@Starling6 (@'ing you because I know you'll like this suggestion lmao)
 
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These mfers don't even know half the things they're saying, half of SL will say something completely opposite from other SL. Annoying asf when every other sit is determined purely by what SL is on at the time because all their "rulings" vary between each other
i was once told in a sit that "there are so many rules that arent written" then i was almost warned for rdm for an unwritten rule, evil world we live in
 
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Fun fact on US, you are not allowed to spawn vehicles during a raid!
Fun fact, you couldn't camp vents as per a rule but then they changed their mind a week later and told no one!
Fun fact, they made a ruling where you couldn't place anchors down during CI raids unless there was a TB confirmed, then they changed their minds!
Fun fact, they made a ruling saying you could use PAC to find DCs but then changed their minds 3 days later!
Fun fact, D-Class can't use 914 until 10 minutes after nuke or restart! Its FailRP!
Fun fact, if Foundation gets everybody out, they can nuke a CI raid!
Fun fact, you could kidnap on NHU but then they changed their minds a week later!
Fun fact, its not basecamping if they look at you! (Not joking)
Fun fact, you can metagame surface medics/chefs! (this is a good one)
Fun fact, you remember the D-Class 914 ruling, that was never written down when it was made!
Fun fact, they made a ruling saying you could ask for an entire group of people during interrogation, then changed their minds a week later after it affected CI!
Literally everything listed here isn't a thing on the UK server, what lobotomites are they making SL on the US?
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at least write down your stupid rules on the page, you know the one made for RULES??
Seems like common sense to most but apparently not these nincompoops
 
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I love getting threatened with warns/bans because of something I literally have no way of knowing because it’s not written down. Not to mention that one staff member may have a completely different feeling about something than the one that sees me do the same exact thing, meaning one staff may be fine with it and then ten minutes later I could get warned/banned for the same thing.

Unwritten rules shouldn’t be a thing, period. They only create confusion and unfair punishments for players.

The fact that they also often change on a whim with literally zero notification is also insane. They are also often changed in discord channels that most of the server can’t see.

They’re also often changed with zero consultation with the people that they will affect,

Need an example? Site IDs were ruled to be able to be used by anyone, including CI, in the CL4 discord chat. Nobody talked to anyone about it, nobody made public notice. And then they changed their minds shortly after once everyone it affected voiced their displeasure with it, only after it had been spread by /word of mouth/.

I can keep going if I haven’t made it clear how much I hate unwritten rules being allowed.
 

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As per the staff handbook, Admins and Senior Admins are not allowed to make rule clarifications on their own, they have to talk to atleast one other SL member to have it be official. And even though they technically can with only two SL members, it is HIGHLY recommended that the clarification gets taken up with more SL in meetings, threads or discord channels to make sure there are no conflicting opinions.
 
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As per the staff handbook, Admins and Senior Admins are not allowed to make rule clarifications on their own, they have to talk to atleast one other SL member to have it be official. And even though they technically can with only two SL members, it is HIGHLY recommended that the clarification gets taken up with more SL in meetings, threads or discord channels to make sure there are no conflicting opinions.
Not what they do on the US site
 
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As per the staff handbook, Admins and Senior Admins are not allowed to make rule clarifications on their own, they have to talk to atleast one other SL member to have it be official. And even though they technically can with only two SL members, it is HIGHLY recommended that the clarification gets taken up with more SL in meetings, threads or discord channels to make sure there are no conflicting opinions.
Any rule clarifications should, as this suggestion states, be put on the staff rulings thread or on the actual rules page. Not a hidden thread or discord channel that only SL can see.
 
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Fun fact on US, you are not allowed to spawn vehicles during a raid!
Fun fact, you couldn't camp vents as per a rule but then they changed their mind a week later and told no one!
Fun fact, they made a ruling where you couldn't place anchors down during CI raids unless there was a TB confirmed, then they changed their minds!
Fun fact, they made a ruling saying you could use PAC to find DCs but then changed their minds 3 days later!
Fun fact, D-Class can't use 914 until 10 minutes after nuke or restart! Its FailRP!
Fun fact, if Foundation gets everybody out, they can nuke a CI raid!
Fun fact, you could kidnap on NHU but then they changed their minds a week later!
Fun fact, its not basecamping if they look at you! (Not joking)
Fun fact, you can metagame surface medics/chefs! (this is a good one)
Fun fact, you remember the D-Class 914 ruling, that was never written down when it was made!
Fun fact, they made a ruling saying you could ask for an entire group of people during interrogation, then changed their minds a week later after it affected CI!


I have a lot more of these!

Fun fact on US UNGOC can bomb their own base when being raided!
Fun fact using shields to create pixel peeks is not allowed! (good one)
Fun fact it is FailRP to instantly begin info breaching as CI or GOC after failing a Main Raid! (another good one)
Fun fact Calling out a fake with the reason being there being more than ONE Commander or LTCOM is not Metagaming!
Fun fact it is NOT metagaming to call out a Jr. Researcher disguised person that has a Sr. Researcher keycard! (if they have the same model)
Fun fact CI can use dimensions to get into SCP-008 but cannot use dimensions to exfiltrate syringes out of the CC.
Fun fact 22415 cannot beam any SCP's unless there are combative doing the same nearby! (who did this?!?)
Fun fact 22415-3 cannot use his main ability to throw SCP's into teslas / turrets (the whitelist is usesless now)
The funniest fact of all!! SL can enforce rules that aren't written on the forums even if you have no clue they existed!! (ruled by senior admin)
 
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Fun fact using shields to create pixel peeks is not allowed! (good one)
Fun fact it is FailRP to instantly begin info breaching as CI or GOC after failing a Main Raid! (another good one)
These are amazing
Fun fact it is NOT metagaming to call out a Jr. Researcher disguised person that has a Sr. Researcher keycard! (if they have the same model)
This kinda makes sense considering the name tag but on UK it is the same for normal and senior DEA agents which makes less sense as the models are identical and they don't have an identifying badge like researchers
Fun fact on US UNGOC can bomb their own base when being raided!
This is FailRP.
Fun fact CI can use dimensions to get into SCP-008 but cannot use dimensions to exfiltrate syringes out of the CC.
Who even made this shit, what were they smoking?
 
I think this really encapsulates a lot of the community's opinion on SL rulings, SL say something in passing that only 5% of the player base knows about, the other 95% gets warned for it.
 
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