Denied Revitalisation of Surface RP

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

This suggestion works for Civilian Job improvements, additional buildings, an implementable legal system, realistic missions, integrated roleplay opportunities for SOP/GOC/CI. While I understand that ultimately this is an SCP server, this can open avenues for actual surface activity other than combat, legitimate civilian life with the horrors beyond human comprehension below RP. At the end of the day, we have two incredible GOIs who deserve more content than to just raid and be happy with that. They should be given actual duties, that they would be doing if the SCP Foundation, UNGOC and CI were real. This suggestion aims to increase realistic and interactive RP for all players, and make pinewood more than a minge town with random info-leaks.


Civilian Jobs​

Currently as it stands, civilians are limited to a few choices. While SurfaceRP is a case of "do what you can make of it", for people who are newer, it is hard to find people to participate in this roleplay, often people will be faced with adversity from those monitoring instead of allowing for a civilian population to bloom. While it is rather easy to understand why this is the case, considering surface functions for mingery, scavenging and constant combat, this would allow new opportunities for more versatile and open opportunities for players to play or contribute to.

As a note, I am not going to put "grav gun, keys" etc on the list. Only the additions, think of it as added to a default civi/d-class loadout.

I will also be proposing a rework to some of the current jobs, these will be labelled as "Rework [Number]" and the additions to "Job [Number]"

JOB ONE - PineNews

"As a reporter for PineNews it is your job to know everything going on within pinewood and take a legitimate path of employment. Here you can use your journalism skills to report on the Ranger who is taking bribes, the Mayors wedding plans and so much more."

PineNews would allow for two new jobs for surface, paid the standard £/$40 an hour, they would work to report the comings and goings of pinewood. They would under no circumstance be allowed into Foundation or Insurgency bases, with the only allowance being into the Embassy of the GOC with express permission from themselves. This would be a whitelisted role, that could come with a new public channel in discord for those with the role to post the news reports, and allow people to make solid documentation, effort and RP.

PineNews would be a non-combative job with perma's disabled, where the users would use the following model:
Steam Workshop "Blume News"

They would have the following loadout:
  • Clipboard
  • Camera
  • 50 Armor (due to the press vest on the models i linked)
  • "Body Cam"
  • Radio
  • Satchel

JOB TWO - Taxi Driver

"God, so many calls and requests. Today has been a busy day taxiing, but people need to get from point A to point B afterall. So many people always in suits from that military base, and god- can those green people not read the very clear sign on your car stating 'no guns'? Taxi-ing gets harder and harder as the days go."

As a taxi driver, people will be able to book you with self-managed open comms requests, to get you from point A to point B. This job would have three slots, and be paid the standard £/$40 an hour. This role would be one where people set their own rules for how much they're paid, what journeys, but also allow for some RP to occur, people who drive Taxi's may overhear some conversations that could be fed to PineNews, or even, be a new opportunity for the GOC to deal with "whispers" of comings and goings of other factions. This would be a non-whitelisted role, and have the requirement of a driving license.

This job would be non-combative, with permas disabled, and users would use the default civilian model.

They would have the following loadout:
  • Radio

JOB THREE - Pharmacist

"I suppose the fact living in the constant cold is going to cause so much sickness... but this much? Well- good thing you're on hand to help with all those colds and infections."

As a pharmacist, you would function almost the same as a Medical Chemist. This allows for civilians to get cures for ailments rather than a staff member kill binding, or going to piss of CI until they shoot you down, or just job abusing. However, I understand that chemistry is locked behind donation roles, so I will leave this open-ended for how I believe it should be set. This is yet another non-combative job that would work in the pinewoods limited medical centre to create cures and assist personnel. [CHANGE: I HAVE REMOVED THE FAILRP MENTIONED HERE DUE TO FEEDBACK]

They would use the medic model that is used for trainees and surface medics, with the addition of the face mask given to chemists in order to distinguish them.
They would have the same loadout as the Foundation Medical Chemist, with the addition of:
  • MedKit
  • Injection Syringe

JOB FOUR - Ranger Chief

"All these rangers... listening to a Mayor? No. The job opened, I applied and I got it. These rangers will get into shape with the drills and training I do with them. We will be the best sheriffs office yet. Just wait and see."

At the moment, the rangers are technically at liberty to the mayor by logic, not by a set chain of command. I believe the introduction of a role that requires level 25 support, and level 25 combat to play as the "chief". In this role, you would be able to command over the existing rangers, and due to the levels you'll have some level of tenure in the server to know when RP needs intervention by staff, and also create your own, whether its training days, escorting the mayor and more, world is your oyster, after all. You're the chief you decide.

They would have the same loadout as the rangers with the addition of:
  • Clipboard
  • RGP-5
  • Full Armor

JOB FIVE - Lawyer

"How the hell has a chef committed fraud? What do you mean a civilian got a gun and waved it in the pub drunk? Well time to defend them- or prosecute them. Lets see... case file here- oh god I need coffee"

I believe with the UNGOC trying to enforce a level of law in pinewood, civilians having a new role where they are able essentially flag on when a court case has been called, work on defence and otherwise RP. I do not know if the whitelist will help, or if this should be open and I highly encourage people suggest this in the replies. However, I do believe a support level 20 should be required to play this role.

They would use the regular suited models, and be equipped with the following:
  • Clipboard
  • Briefcase

REWORK ONE - Mayor

What job does the mayor actually do? Set laws? Walk around until they eventually get a 008 document? Turn the rangers into terrorists?

I believe the Mayor should become a whitelisted role with heavy documentational guidance, alike how most CL4 roles in other factions, who's job is to create new and exciting RP that is entirely civilian life revolving. The Mayor should be able to request and host their own meetings with the militaries around them, make deals for their town to be funded, hold food markets, carnivals and more. Essentially, there is no *set* re-work for the mayor, but I believe actual job guidance being built in, with an application process, will make the role far more refined and used properly.

REWORK TWO - Medics

Very simple addition: Give a medical cupboard and an x-ray machine to medics, so they can at least treat fractures. Currently, you have to contact a GOI, but they're not always available, and mostly ignore civilians. So this can either happen, or the GOC are encouraged to take in civilians. Issue being, they do not want to allow civilians into their FOB past the embassy for good reason. I think this simple addition means people can stop job abusing, suiciding and more to get over tripping while scavenging and being sent to the stars with a salute and back.


Buildings​

Right now, we have a gas station, some houses and a PD. While this is good for basic RP, a few simple additions may go a long way for enhancing this. Whether its a perma-propped building or a map addition, I will leave the logistics to yourselves. I don't wish to overhaul and make a mini city, all of these make sense to have in a tiny rural town, from someone who lived in a rural time for a good chunk of her life.

Town Hall / Court House

With the Legal System I intend to propose, I think a town hall with a miniature court house will assist people in doing court cases opens avenues for GOC and Civi's doing actual roleplay with embedded legal systems with will be explained below. This building could occupy a small part of No-Mans land. It'd function to enhance roleplay, and also give a new spawn for the Mayor, and for Lawyers.

Here there would be a public decal of SSL approved laws, which I believe should be created by the UNGOC or Mayors and legal teams. Here are some links to how this could look: Town Hall / Courthouses

Pharmacy

A pharmacy, whether or not, is needed. Most small towns have one, they're either in old school buildings, like the ones you see in the walking dead, the start of a quiet place, etc. Whether this replaces the current medical place, or is put on the hills, no mans land, I will leave experienced map developers to reason the logistics of this.

This would be where a centrifuge, bunsen burner, and mixing station could be for the pharmacist job, with their spawn and an NPC for chemicals. This is some idea of how it could look: Pharmacy / Chemist

News Building

So, a news building. While we have the small weird dungeon on parawatch hill, it makes sense for the cave dwelling theorists. However, a legitimate small town news agents would work best for PineNews, this could be placed between buildings as stands, or a new building next to the courthouse. News Stands / Buildings


Legal System​

As staff probably already know, when surface is active and arrests for the cells in the PD are taken, my god do people go over the thirty minutes, or just straight up do it without RP reason. The introduction of a Arrest officer, whitelisted only to the lawyers, rangers and mayor based on the SSL approved laws aforementioned, could then allow for less sits, and the jails to be used correctly rather than, "he he haw haw im a ranger and my mayor decided terrorism is on the cards today".

I would be entirely happy to sit down and create this legal system with SSL alike the FLC, so it is easy, small and concise.


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:

Not recently as far as I am aware.


Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

  • Opens more opportunity for set-rp
  • Allows people to go on surface other than scavenging or minging
  • Makes a more solidified way for surface to work, so RP can finally be made with consistency for the UNGOC.
  • New fun jobs!

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:

  • Server Lag from the Map being added to
  • Development time of the map changes
  • Jobs may be abused for cases I haven't thought of

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

At the end of the day, the UNGOC, surface as a whole deserves life. At the end of the day, people should be able to do things on civilian, and these simple additions and changes can make the experience up top far more enjoyable. Surface right now is just... warfare without consideration of the lives of the civilians that would actually be there in RP.

I think this enables change for the better. People will be inclined to Roleplay on surface, more events past GMs/Event team could occur off of the players back, and it puts people in positions to learn how to be roleplay leaders, let their ideas flourish, while the horrors beneath the ground still are there waiting to break free.

Thank you, I will do my best to respond to any and all comments.

ECC Maeve.
 
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With these changes being accepted, I feel like UNGOC will have more purpose on being on surface as well as allowing the Civillian Character Slot to be used for something more than: minging as ranger, breaking into base as parawatch and selling weapons to foundation staff.
 
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+Support with some minor Changes

REWORK ONE - Mayor

What job does the mayor actually do? Set laws? Walk around until they eventually get a 008 document? Turn the rangers into terrorists?

I believe the Mayor should become a whitelisted role with heavy documentational guidance, alike how most CL4 roles in other factions, who's job is to create new and exciting RP that is entirely civilian life revolving. The Mayor should be able to request and host their own meetings with the militaries around them, make deals for their town to be funded, hold food markets, carnivals and more. Essentially, there is no *set* re-work for the mayor, but I believe actual job guidance being built in, with an application process, will make the role far more refined and used properly.
An idea for this, make the Mayor a applicant role decided by the UNGOC. Makes sense, and allows UNGOC to have more of a force in Pinewood (And can give chances for CI to try and convert a Mayor to their side, or even get a Pro CI (PDF) Mayor to run for it.

I also want to note that you mentioned the Taxi Car for transport, but I am wondering, where too?
Sure, it would be nice to only allow them (And maybe a few others) to spawn in cars, but Pinewood is REALLY small. There were need to be more space between it (Could put some stuff in No-Mans-Land with the other new buildings), and more incentive for Civilians to go from places like Pinewood to Lakehouse.

I see a very Minor issue with the Lawyer system (Your protecting people who are likely minges, and will probably RDM mid court session or get shot due to their gun), but I think it would be a great idea for F/CI/GOC members, as they would be actively trying to gain the side of the Civilians.

Personally I feel quite unsure about the Pinenews Reporter being whitelisted, as yes that means less minges, but that also means just less Reporters in general. There isn't much a incentive to stay on it unless you are actively maining the job.



-CI LTCOM 'Niox'
 
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Hey! Thank you for the support firstly Niox

So I'll go through small pieces of this, and I definitely agree with a lot of what you've said.
An idea for this, make the Mayor a applicant role decided by the UNGOC. Makes sense, and allows UNGOC to have more of a force in Pinewood (And can give chances for CI to try and convert a Mayor to their side, or even get a Pro CI (PDF) Mayor to run for it.
I completely agree with this actually. But- at the end of the day, the mayor job in its nature cant be overly limited, and I wanted to remove any risk of nepotism by making it a forums role.

I also want to note that you mentioned the Taxi Car for transport, but I am wondering, where too?
Sure, it would be nice to only allow them (And maybe a few others) to spawn in cars, but Pinewood is REALLY small. There were need to be more space between it (Could put some stuff in No-Mans-Land with the other new buildings), and more incentive for Civilians to go from places like Pinewood to Lakehouse.
So, the idea here is essentially, imagine a secret convoy of a high clearance member of foundation being moved to GOC base for a meeting during high CI activity? Or, maybe someone wants some pizza and needs a lift from lakehouse, etc. The point of this role is you can make your own RP, you can choose your pickups and its entirely self managed to what you want to do.

I see a very Minor issue with the Lawyer system (Your protecting people who are likely minges, and will probably RDM mid court session or get shot due to their gun), but I think it would be a great idea for F/CI/GOC members, as they would be actively trying to gain the side of the Civilians.
Unfortunately this will be a staff issue, I wish I could make a role that cant be abused, but- people always think of ways.

Personally I feel quite unsure about the Pinenews Reporter being whitelisted, as yes that means less minges, but that also means just less Reporters in general. There isn't much a incentive to stay on it unless you are actively maining the job.

The point of the whitelist is having your own channel to post news. Its not a maintainance required job, and maybe it could be wiped every now and again, but people can opt in for "news feed" if they want, and someone could do one report every 200 years for all it matters, but they get the chance to do actual news feeds without it revolving around SCPs as a main focal point and helps bolster server lore created by the players!

I hope this helps, and thank you again for replying <3
 
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It definitely revitalizes the surface, as of right now its main dominated by GOI's and anytime the rangers/mayor get any info all three sides actively destroy them ruining the RP
 

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this suggestion entirely missed the point of surface rp
 

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+Support with some minor Changes

An idea for this, make the Mayor a applicant role decided by the UNGOC. Makes sense, and allows UNGOC to have more of a force in Pinewood (And can give chances for CI to try and convert a Mayor to their side, or even get a Pro CI (PDF) Mayor to run for it.

I also want to note that you mentioned the Taxi Car for transport, but I am wondering, where too?
Sure, it would be nice to only allow them (And maybe a few others) to spawn in cars, but Pinewood is REALLY small. There were need to be more space between it (Could put some stuff in No-Mans-Land with the other new buildings), and more incentive for Civilians to go from places like Pinewood to Lakehouse.

I see a very Minor issue with the Lawyer system (Your protecting people who are likely minges, and will probably RDM mid court session or get shot due to their gun), but I think it would be a great idea for F/CI/GOC members, as they would be actively trying to gain the side of the Civilians.

Personally I feel quite unsure about the Pinenews Reporter being whitelisted, as yes that means less minges, but that also means just less Reporters in general. There isn't much a incentive to stay on it unless you are actively maining the job.



-CI LTCOM 'Niox'
To add to this this is a stupid idea about the mayor make this into a campaign runnings for a week like every so many days, if the un controlls the surface rp aswell it will make it locked to friend politics probally so make it into a sort of election.

Ps: stop trying to controll surface surface rp isnt uns its for a city if this would be the case the surface could just be purely un cause a mayor doesnt have any power really and u will make un controll just all of surface.
 
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  • 100% lethality.
  • Transmission through exposed mucous membranes and all bodily fluids.
  • Not airborne or waterborne.
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  • Coma onset approximately 20 hours after first symptoms appear and 12 hours after noticeable dementia. Coma onset will be considered onset of death.
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  • Nervous and muscular systems are unaffected by total organ failure for several hours.
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this suggestion entirely missed the point of surface rp
Hi

Could you please outline how? I am always curious to learn. You state in your signature you are a current member of CI and likely spend a lot of time up there. Could please detail how these would negatively affect surface RP, and how surface RP in your eyes should be?

Thanks
 
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