Rework how ERT fight SCP-173

[Warmug]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Rework how ERT is able to completly nullify 173's abilities. Maybe change the system so 173 can kill a ERT with three or four hits or that 173 can actually have a chance of escaping from a ERT so they can't just camp it.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Couldn't find anything similar

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Gives 173 a way to defend itself against ERT
- 173 can't be killed by practically a single person

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Could make 173 too overpowered against ERT if this is done wrong

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
There should be a way for 173 to defend itself against ERT, at least in some way. Even if they are completly immortal against it, 173 should be able to escape from them since right now it can't even move since somebody that they can't kill is looking at them.

I had one of these experiences today and it was just sad to sit through, since I had just gotten out of my chamber and got around 7 kills for the entire breach. I lucklily hadn't been waiting that long to breach but if this happend after you had waited an hour+ it would have been extremly infuriating. https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kijdffUzz7zXfLaZb?invite=cr-MSwxclksMTgwNTc2OTE2

I do understand this is mainly just an issue during low-pop since if another person arrives, 173 can tp to them to escape that way. But even then, ERT being able to lock 173 in place and dump multiple mags into it is just not a fun mechanic for any party involved in my opinion.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

...What?
+Support
Wow, 173 went from being overpowered against ERT to basically completely defenceless.
I feel like if it's not desired for 173 to be able to TP directly to and kill ERT, then the TP should be to somewhere ERT can't see.

Although I can see why that might be difficult to implement. You make an excellent point here, though - I just don't think this is within the spirit of what ERT is supposed to be. It's supposed to be extremely difficult yes, but there's supposed to be at least a slim fighting chance.

 

[Niox]

ragepost

 

[Kevin Ki]

+/-support

ERT can be wiped by 2 scp combos (TG/Spaceman+7722/076/035/682/ect) and 173 can instant kill a ERT if they're close, while I think 173 should be reworked in how it plays (something like SCP SL 173) I do not think this is the way to go with 173/ert combat.

 

[Merrick Travolta]

-Support

173 being breached at low population has effectively no counters whatsoever unless you can rally 5 or 6 people together (usually a rarity) in which case that would still take an hour to reduce 173 to a beamable mass.

173 when breached with another anomaly is rather balanced depending on the response time during mid to high population and ERT do serve as it's hard counter, as they should be as an intended "soft RP reset".

Your issue exists purely within low population breaches and often ERT is called due to your mass killing causing ERT to be auto called faster, (I am aware that this ERT in particular was a hold over from the last breach, not a usual occurance)

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

-Support

173 being breached at low population has effectively no counters whatsoever unless you can rally 5 or 6 people together (usually a rarity) in which case that would still take an hour to reduce 173 to a beamable mass.

173 when breached with another anomaly is rather balanced depending on the response time during mid to high population and ERT do serve as it's hard counter, as they should be as an intended "soft RP reset".

Your issue exists purely within low population breaches and often ERT is called due to your mass killing causing ERT to be auto called faster, (I am aware that this ERT in particular was a hold over from the last breach, not a usual occurance)

alright, but ert would be resistant to 173?
ert would easily take care of low pop 173 if they stay together (like they always do)

 

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-Support

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

ERT arent ressistant to 173 fully, they can look at him and he cant move but if 173 does the genius thing called "having other scps help", those ERT will have to look away from 173 to fight the other one and boom, they got their neck snapped.

-Support

 

[Alex/John Dingle]

-Support

Bro using a clip from before EZ rework....

 

[Critical]

Neutral

I do believe 173 needs adjusting to bring up to speed with how the server works but ERT are not immune to the effects of 173. ERT is still a 1 hit kill from 173 but if ERT are smart enough to hide behind a shield they will br protected from 173 much like they are from other SCPs

 

[Merrick Travolta]

alright, but ert would be resistant to 173?
ert would easily take care of low pop 173 if they stay together (like they always do)

And? If you want a fun breach at low pop, pick a reality bender or 966, 173 is impossible to fight at low pop and it's just a cheap way to farm XP via the sheer number of kills you'll get.

 

[YandereMuffin]

- Support

ERT is meant to act as a stop blocker to breaches that last too long or are too powerful. It would be interesting for 173 to be changed to be more effective against ERT, but it should also be weakened against others.

 

[Jack Raider]

Breach buff detected, opinion rejected
-Support

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

And? If you want a fun breach at low pop, pick a reality bender or 966, 173 is impossible to fight at low pop and it's just a cheap way to farm XP via the sheer number of kills you'll get.

173 badly needs a rework anyways. i love killing people 100m away in d-block