Rule Suggestion SCP-912 'Riot' Clarification

[JasonTheCheesyGuy]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Rephrase SCP 912's rule that states;

• May only enter inner D-block if a riot is ongoing and it is ordered to enter by security personnel

To either clearly define what constitutes a Riot (Outside of a simple 'C2 is active', as a C2 can be activated by any Cl3 personnel for any reason), or to be rephrased so as to be independent of Site-Codes.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I know of

Possible Positives of the suggestion:
Provides additional clarity to players of SCP-912.
Prevents misuse of SCP-912.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
???? Less abuse of 912 or smth? I dunno man- This seems like a pretty clear pure benefit to me.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
You can actually know what SCP-912 can/cannot do.

 

[Shaunpai]

-Support

The rules are pretty clear about this man

 

[Advil Smith]

-support you can’t call a riot just because you want to call a random code there has to be a reason IC

 

[JasonTheCheesyGuy]

-support you can’t call a riot just because you want to call a random code there has to be a reason IC

Yep! This is actually the core part of why I made this suggestion.

When do you call a Code? This is something that is entirely up to player interpretation, with no clarification from the rules about when a riot is taking place. What does this result in? A riot being able to be called for anything that anyone decides for themselves determines a riot.

Leaving an SCP's rules up solely to player interpretation is a problem IMO.

 

[Glazzing]

-support cope suggestion

 

[fyzar]

Yep! This is actually the core part of why I made this suggestion.

When do you call a Code? This is something that is entirely up to player interpretation, with no clarification from the rules about when a riot is taking place. What does this result in? A riot being able to be called for anything that anyone decides for themselves determines a riot.

Leaving an SCP's rules up solely to player interpretation is a problem IMO.

"i dont like roleplay i want every action that i do be dictated by server rules"

 

[Emilia Foddg]

When do you call a Code? This is something that is entirely up to player interpretation, with no clarification from the rules about when a riot is taking place. What does this result in? A riot being able to be called for anything that anyone decides for themselves determines a riot.

Leaving an SCP's rules up solely to player interpretation is a problem IMO.

"I'll take FailRP for $200, Alex"

If people are calling C2s for anything other than a riot, that's not player interpretation, that's just FailRP.

 

[Advil Smith]

Yep! This is actually the core part of why I made this suggestion.

When do you call a Code? This is something that is entirely up to player interpretation, with no clarification from the rules about when a riot is taking place. What does this result in? A riot being able to be called for anything that anyone decides for themselves determines a riot.

Leaving an SCP's rules up solely to player interpretation is a problem IMO.

I’m against rule play in every situation if something can be solved in character then staff shouldn’t need to get involved we already have too much of this. This can be dealt with in character for example by contacting ISD.

 

[Advil Smith]

"I'll take FailRP for $200, Alex"

If people are calling C2s for anything other than a riot, that's not player interpretation, that's just FailRP.

This aswell ^ if it’s just a random code 2 sure contact staff but say there is 4 pistols instead of 5 guns contact ISD

 

[YandereMuffin]

kinda + support

I believe it needs to be made more clear, I've seen 912 in D-Block due to a single pistol, or a single TB, or literally nothing - Code 2s aren't always called for great reasons.

That being said, I'm not sure how I would personally want the rules worded for this change.

 

[SamPaval]

-support

Unless you can get both servers to agree on a base line for what constitutes a code 2, this wont work. US and UK have them very different. On UK we call it for more then 2 guns And or a TB is known. On US I think its a bit more.

 

[Speff]

-support

not gonna waste time typing too much since everythings already been said but

"jarvis install a camera that looks through every d-class' clothes and counts the amount of guns in d block, then use that to call/not call a riot because we can't trust CL3 personnel with Code 2's anymore since ISD is nonexistent"

this is an ic (and occ if it's repetitive) issue. this is like saying "remove the ability to id check people during code 1 because anybody can call a code 1 for no reason". like mf what??? i hate isd too but they got a job and dealin with stupid people is what they're here for. your issues should go to your isd dpt director, not to forum suggestions lmfao

plus even if we made a baseline definition on what is a riot, how are we gonna know if the d class had guns. hell if we knew which d class had guns they'd be dead already. we call riots based on how it looks and the estimated amount of guns, its not a code 5 where theres a huge lizard hauling ass around hcz. we dont have jarvis to x ray the d class for guns, it's all based on personal opinion.

 

[JasonTheCheesyGuy]

Okay, uh, I think people are taking this the very wrong way here.

I am seeing a lot of people talking about the GSD/Site-Staff perspective of this situation. That is not what I am aiming upon in this suggestion. Nor am I suggesting that the definition of a riot be changed for Site-Staff.

This is in relation to SCP-912. As of current, the rules only say that SCP-912 can enter whenever there is a riot. It does not define what a riot is. This does not make sense from either an RP, or a rules perspective.

From an RP perspective, the only indication of a 'riot' that SCP-912 players currently have is if a C2 is called. Why would an anomaly care what code has been called? It is an SCP; Whether or not some Foundation Personnel (That SCP-912 may not even see/know of) has made the arbitrary decision to declare a C2 (Which SCP-912 may also not even see/know of) should not influence its actions.

From a rules perspective, SCP-912 is entirely dependent upon other people telling it if/when there is a riot, which can cause confusion when we have the inevitable "/ooc Yo there's only like 3 people with guns this isn't a riot!!!" messages. A clarification of what constitutes a riot for SCP-912, not for all site-staff provides clarity in this regard.

 

[Speff]

okay so what are you proposing? what does 912 use as a marker of if a riot exists or not? as i said theres no way for anybody to know how many d class have guns. unless youre saying 912 should have his own "riot meter" that gradually fills up in an out of character way and lets 912 know when to enter d-block, which although might work would just lead to metagaming ("912 just entered d block, sound a code 2 since d class have guns!!!), and is overall not very useful to rp.

and your claim that "Why would an anomaly care what code has been called?" is incredibly unsupported. 912, by his lore, works for whatever combative personnel in military gear orders them. in this case, that would be us. so yes, 912 would very clearly follow our orders. and you are right he doesn't follow codes.

also, nowhere in the rules does it specify "Code 2". in fact, it only says "riot" - which a Code 2 is dependent on, meaning 912 doesn't enter D-block when there is a Code 2, he enters when there is a riot and we tell him to do so. and again, he follows the security personnel giving him orders, not the codes, so he would listen to the gensec.