Name: Second/The Twilight (GOC)
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:85768677
Please state if it is for SCP-RP UK or USA: USA
Level of appeal (2 or 3): 2
Have you already carried out a level 1 appeal - please give details: I did in TeamSpeak to GEN Finder, he dismissed my case.
Who did you carry out the level 1 appeal to, and where: GEN Finder, TS
Rank demoted from: LTGEN
Who demoted you?: GEN Finder
Date of demotion?: 10/10/2023
What is the case against you?: "Consistent problematic behavior and toxicity"
Is this true?: To be honest, I have no idea. I was given zero proof of the alleged behavior, and never given any specific examples. Just told "I've seen it".
Prior to this demotion, have you ever been demoted?: In GOC, one time by GEN Banker (1SGT to SGT), was handled via a demotion appeal
Please list any previous roleplay demotion appeals: 1SGT to SGT Demotion Appeal (Accepted) | Omega-1 LTCOM Demotion Appeal (Denied)
What is your side of the story?:
The start of this incident was a DM from Super Admin Mercer to discuss a situation of alleged harassment against a user named "Puggo", or "Bulanos" in the 1 clip provided to me, as well as a claim of Job Abuse. After speaking with Mercer for roughly an hour, he had heard my side and his side of events and had come to his own conclusions. Said conclusions were discussed with 2 member of NL and were deemed to be blowing a situation out of proportion.
The 2 incidents in question were:
- Harassment of "Puggo"/"Bulanos"
- Job abuse to kill a captive GOC on my Nu-7 whitelist
- Harassment -
The claims of harassment did not get very far, as the member in question was unable to procure more than 1 clip of me telling him to "fuck off" after he had taken my GEN captive against their will and the fact that I went to Omega-1 Command and CI Regimental Command to report claims of anti-LGBT behavior from this user to their respective faction leaders, both of which are true. I have 2 clips of this individual saying things to me that could be seen as transphobia, and I have actively taken strides to avoid any interaction with the individual in question for quite some time due to said comments. (If a member of SSL or NL reviewing this would like to see the clips, please DM me on discord, tsdksecond). I did not ever go out of my way to harass or belittle Puggo, in fact for a while I saw him as a friend of mine and defended him when a lot of people were rude to him or judged him unfairly. Overall, this was ruled by SSL/NL to be blown out of proportion (from what I was told by Mercer).
- Job Abuse -
The claims of Job Abuse were very confusing to me, as the basis was that in the midst of a GOC Infiltration CMission I got on Nu-7 to kill some GOC and CI who were raiding. I died mid-raid and decided to just play Nu-7 for a little while as I had been on GOC for quite some time. I had stayed on the Nu-7 whitelist for about 45 minutes after the raid had ended, after which I got on Overseer Assistant and walked around with O5 for a bit, to which I got back on to GOC to do a promotion ceremony for a new LT who had just gotten on. The reason for the complaint specifically was due to me killing a GOC who was "captive", though he was not in cuffs nor was he under FearRP. Provided here is a clip of the incident from the perspective of DoM Dinklesprinkle. Basic idea was GOC called out as raiding, I see GOC in medbay walking around, me and A-1 shoot him. Like the prior claim, this was ruled by SSL/NL to be blown out of proportion to my understanding from Mercer.
- Removal Reason -
The official reason for my removal from my LTGEN position was "consistently causing problems". In an approximately 30 minute discussion with Finder, I explained that he had never come to me regarding any of the alleged reports against me, nor could he procure any form of evidence about the reports. He had told me he had been getting continous reports about me, and when I asked why he never brought them to me, he told me it was not his responsibility to and that the individuals in question should have brought it to me. When I said they didn't, he said "That isn't my problem". A lack of communication was common, as I made several attempts to reach out to Finder to discuss his plans for the future and got very minimal besides "Let me cook" or "I'm working on something". It was very commonplace for me to be caught off guard by things, this was no different. After SSL made their verdict on the case of being overblown, he stuck by removal from my position. I was given 3 options, being resign honorably, get discharged dishonorably, or get demoted to LT dishonorably. I chose resign honorably (I was told I could make a demotion appeal for this because I was forced into resigning). Throughout the entire conversation, Mercer was present and was witness to all of this. In this entire conversation, I was never told a specific instance of doing something wrong, nor was I given any proof to back up claims. The most I was given was "I saw it, and it's my regiment". I will admit I did have 1 active strike for taking RP a little too far and siding with CI for 1 event, but it was discussed with me and finder and was only a 1 month strike.
- Conclusion -
Overall, I have reason to believe that this demotion was done out of a place of bias and no real rationale. I was never given any explicit reasoning for my removal, and Finder actually explicitly told me it was "not his problem" to tell me when I was being reported for misconduct, which I still don't know what I did, even after being removed. The 2 prior claims that SSL/NL dismissed were not involved in it, as stated by Finder, due to them being deemed invalid. I have put my heart and soul into GOC from the beginning, I push for RP heavily and have tried my best to make GOC fun and engaging for everyone, be it the RP focused members or the combative focused members.
I hope whoever reads this takes my side into account, and whoever is reviewing this please do not hesitate to reach me on Discord (tsdksecond) if you need clarifications on anything I have written.
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:85768677
Please state if it is for SCP-RP UK or USA: USA
Level of appeal (2 or 3): 2
Have you already carried out a level 1 appeal - please give details: I did in TeamSpeak to GEN Finder, he dismissed my case.
Who did you carry out the level 1 appeal to, and where: GEN Finder, TS
Rank demoted from: LTGEN
Who demoted you?: GEN Finder
Date of demotion?: 10/10/2023
What is the case against you?: "Consistent problematic behavior and toxicity"
Is this true?: To be honest, I have no idea. I was given zero proof of the alleged behavior, and never given any specific examples. Just told "I've seen it".
Prior to this demotion, have you ever been demoted?: In GOC, one time by GEN Banker (1SGT to SGT), was handled via a demotion appeal
Please list any previous roleplay demotion appeals: 1SGT to SGT Demotion Appeal (Accepted) | Omega-1 LTCOM Demotion Appeal (Denied)
What is your side of the story?:
The start of this incident was a DM from Super Admin Mercer to discuss a situation of alleged harassment against a user named "Puggo", or "Bulanos" in the 1 clip provided to me, as well as a claim of Job Abuse. After speaking with Mercer for roughly an hour, he had heard my side and his side of events and had come to his own conclusions. Said conclusions were discussed with 2 member of NL and were deemed to be blowing a situation out of proportion.
The 2 incidents in question were:
- Harassment of "Puggo"/"Bulanos"
- Job abuse to kill a captive GOC on my Nu-7 whitelist
- Harassment -
The claims of harassment did not get very far, as the member in question was unable to procure more than 1 clip of me telling him to "fuck off" after he had taken my GEN captive against their will and the fact that I went to Omega-1 Command and CI Regimental Command to report claims of anti-LGBT behavior from this user to their respective faction leaders, both of which are true. I have 2 clips of this individual saying things to me that could be seen as transphobia, and I have actively taken strides to avoid any interaction with the individual in question for quite some time due to said comments. (If a member of SSL or NL reviewing this would like to see the clips, please DM me on discord, tsdksecond). I did not ever go out of my way to harass or belittle Puggo, in fact for a while I saw him as a friend of mine and defended him when a lot of people were rude to him or judged him unfairly. Overall, this was ruled by SSL/NL to be blown out of proportion (from what I was told by Mercer).
- Job Abuse -
The claims of Job Abuse were very confusing to me, as the basis was that in the midst of a GOC Infiltration CMission I got on Nu-7 to kill some GOC and CI who were raiding. I died mid-raid and decided to just play Nu-7 for a little while as I had been on GOC for quite some time. I had stayed on the Nu-7 whitelist for about 45 minutes after the raid had ended, after which I got on Overseer Assistant and walked around with O5 for a bit, to which I got back on to GOC to do a promotion ceremony for a new LT who had just gotten on. The reason for the complaint specifically was due to me killing a GOC who was "captive", though he was not in cuffs nor was he under FearRP. Provided here is a clip of the incident from the perspective of DoM Dinklesprinkle. Basic idea was GOC called out as raiding, I see GOC in medbay walking around, me and A-1 shoot him. Like the prior claim, this was ruled by SSL/NL to be blown out of proportion to my understanding from Mercer.
- Removal Reason -
The official reason for my removal from my LTGEN position was "consistently causing problems". In an approximately 30 minute discussion with Finder, I explained that he had never come to me regarding any of the alleged reports against me, nor could he procure any form of evidence about the reports. He had told me he had been getting continous reports about me, and when I asked why he never brought them to me, he told me it was not his responsibility to and that the individuals in question should have brought it to me. When I said they didn't, he said "That isn't my problem". A lack of communication was common, as I made several attempts to reach out to Finder to discuss his plans for the future and got very minimal besides "Let me cook" or "I'm working on something". It was very commonplace for me to be caught off guard by things, this was no different. After SSL made their verdict on the case of being overblown, he stuck by removal from my position. I was given 3 options, being resign honorably, get discharged dishonorably, or get demoted to LT dishonorably. I chose resign honorably (I was told I could make a demotion appeal for this because I was forced into resigning). Throughout the entire conversation, Mercer was present and was witness to all of this. In this entire conversation, I was never told a specific instance of doing something wrong, nor was I given any proof to back up claims. The most I was given was "I saw it, and it's my regiment". I will admit I did have 1 active strike for taking RP a little too far and siding with CI for 1 event, but it was discussed with me and finder and was only a 1 month strike.
- Conclusion -
Overall, I have reason to believe that this demotion was done out of a place of bias and no real rationale. I was never given any explicit reasoning for my removal, and Finder actually explicitly told me it was "not his problem" to tell me when I was being reported for misconduct, which I still don't know what I did, even after being removed. The 2 prior claims that SSL/NL dismissed were not involved in it, as stated by Finder, due to them being deemed invalid. I have put my heart and soul into GOC from the beginning, I push for RP heavily and have tried my best to make GOC fun and engaging for everyone, be it the RP focused members or the combative focused members.
I hope whoever reads this takes my side into account, and whoever is reviewing this please do not hesitate to reach me on Discord (tsdksecond) if you need clarifications on anything I have written.
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