Denied Site Administration Disguise Card's

[Walter Unrich]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Add Disguise Card Own Team to all Site Administration Jobs.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
This exact thing was Suggested ages ago, what makes mine different? Absoloutely nothing.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
I can Roleplay outside my Office without getting 1 tapped by half the country wanting to target Site Administration.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
CI and GOC will have to make an active Roleplay effort to locate Site Administration personnel instead of my sour thumb of a suit sticking out from 300 meters away at the end of Core sector, lined up ready for a freedom shot.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

You Should Accept this suggestion because I want to actually Roleplay, the best feeling in the world is going to the most populated part of the server, where either a Game Master Event is taking place, or even a self created Event by Site Administration+ and being shot dead instantly by the wacky DC in the corner, I love sticking out like a sore thumb when I enter a room, being instantly vapourised by Enemy Threats, then I have to follow NLR rules, which means I can't return to the area for 3 minutes and I can't return to that same Roleplay, making me, yet again, wait in my office for new Roleplay. "• Your character may not re-enter the situation or roleplay that caused you to respawn, ie. you may not go back to a hostage negotiation if you died because of it. "

Now you may ask, why not just get Nu-7 to Escort you, or get ISD or some other regiment? First, I will not take people away from the main purpose of their Job, people join O-1 and A-1 to guard Foundation Command, they do not do that in Nu-7, E-11, DEA or ISD, I will not force someone to do a job they do not want, that isn't healthy and it isn't good on my behalf, SECOND, I can not be Guarded 24/7 due to Server Population and point stated in part 1, I need some form of Independence, I'm already a Non-Combative with a Clipboard and a pistol no one has seen before.

Another thing, what does Escorts stop when the Bullet to my head kills me instantly, well, doesn't stop anything, I've been in Rooms with 30+ Foundation Combatives, and took a bullet straight to the head, most of the time I enter a populated Area where everyone is at, ends with my screen hitting a kill cam pose of big johnny putting a cap in my head, I love not being able to Roleplay as a Roleplay Leader.

I would love to watch the people I appoint as Site Administration, so I can follow the Current Rp server rules of "find out IC" to ensure they are still competent at their Job, but I can't, literally a walking thumb, which is Blue, unarmed with the steath capabilities of an Elephant, and I'm sure the Directors of the Departments we appoint wanna act funny infront of us.

 

[Truth]

+Support /-Support

Would be cool, though at the same time takes away from the RP of others such as the people you listed and the MTF/Gensec protecting you

 

[Wonka Kane]

-support

SA doesn't need disguise cards. They are meant to be out there in the public unlike Site Command. If you're complaining about dying too many times then just get literally any MTF or Gensec to protect you?

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Hm.

Kind of would defeat a lot of the point of this? Sort of? https://civilnetworks.net/community/threads/executive-protection-unit-security-job.28108/

But that's implying that eventually doesn't get denied. I don't see this being accepted, but I otherwise see the idea. Good luck.
-/+ Neutral

 

[DarkSoldier]

- Support​

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SA doesn't need disguise cards. They are meant to be out there in the public unlike Site Command. If you're complaining about dying too many times then just get literally any MTF or Gensec to protect you?

That is true; the Ethics Committee and O5 Council will keep their identities secret, but only those with Clearance Level 5 know it. However, Site Administration members don't need a disguised card, as they are Clearance Level 4

 

[Biscuits]

-support
NO FUN ALLOWED.

 

[Walter Unrich]

No Clue what Mark is saying (DarkSoldier) but seems all you all think that disguise cards will make SA vanish of the face of the site and hide in the shadows, which it won’t, ISD have disguise cards and still make appearances a lot, Ethics have them and I see them a lot, O5 have them and I see them a lot.

Also I’ve already covered why having Escort is ineffective most of the time and not a “definitive” solution.

Also Me getting escort take away from the Rp of what they originally sign up for, aka, Nu-7 Fighting CI, GENSEC doing site Security and D-Block escort, and by the time I do have an escort, takes a millisecond of effort to be shot and killed by threats who do wanna kill me

For the new job that was pointed out, a job like that can be used in coordination with Disguise Card.

Also Mark, Only O5 identity is Classified, and that’s only know to O5-1, Ethics is completely public Info, for holding Cl5 tho, CL4 know that what O5 and Ethics is and what card they hold truly.

 

[Wonka Kane]

Also Me getting escort take away from the Rp of what they originally sign up for, aka, Nu-7 Fighting CI, GENSEC doing site Security and D-Block escort

Yeah I'm sure they're all gonna be devastated that they're gonna have to do something else other than shooting CI or sitting in D-Block for hours.

 

[Betriv]

+support

 

[Recker]

-Support

I was against this even when I was a Site Manager. The difference between Site Administration and Foundation Command is Foundation Command are a significantly higher target for kidnappings or assassinations. In addition to this, despite the Ethics Committee being public, we frequently like to disguise and play a bystander role by spectating tests or observing things ourselves. While yes people know who is in the Ethics Committee, they don't always know whether or not the Ethics Committee is watching them (in one form or another) which adds to part of the mystery surrounding the role. O5 are just plain secretive.

Site Administration is supposed to be more public than the Ethics Committee and O5 combined and supposed to be the first go-to as opposed to someone just walking up to an Ethics Member. As for needing disguise cards because you're a kidnap risk, the same thing could be said for all MTF Commanders and Dpt. Directors.

 

[Niox]

US issue? Yall are targeted by CI on the UK like never.

Also get an escort lol

 

[Tyrone]

US issue? Yall are targeted by CI on the UK like never.

Also get an escort lol

CI are evil on US

+Support

 

[Fanta]

-Support
Don't know man SA don't need it honestly their meant to be seen around with/without an escort your main job is communicating and listening to the player base. Why you'd need to disguise to go around site confuses me it's not necessary to complete your duties so i don't see it fit added.

 

[Dinklesprinkle]

shouldnt your logic dictate all senior Clearance 4 positions should receive a disguise card

 

[Asmodeus]

+ Support #CNLOYALTY

 

[Coke"Bishop"]

+Support

 

[Asmodeus]

-support

SA doesn't need disguise cards. They are meant to be out there in the public unlike Site Command. If you're complaining about dying too many times then just get literally any MTF or Gensec to protect you?

Ethics is suppose to be public figures

 

[Guts]

You're the face of the site

Why would you want to hide it

 

[Dusk]

-support

Its sorta redundant. Ethics and Site Administration should be the face of the facility. On the other hand the 'facility' is a gaming server as a parody of an SCPRP roleplaying server so there are elements the server must cater to first to ensure everyone has an equal opportunity and equal amounts of fun, to a degree.

There are guards that can protect you, and if they didn't work, A-1 and O-1 would be obsolete. Both of those groups share incidents where their VIP was shot and killed in obscure situations, and all you can do is move on and hope to do better the next time. If people REALLY wanted to RP, bodyguards would be the absolute only requirement for protection, but its nots fun doing a job in a video game, there has to be positives and negatives otherwise nobody wants to play.

 

[stephenpreisler]

+ Minor Support
Throughout my time in Site Administration, there have been many people who have wanted me dead just besides C.I. because of the actions and beliefs that I have.

Disguise cards would help considerably, considering my existing method is to have an I.S.D. Agent clone my disguise, so I have a body double with me at all times to lessen the risk and confuse who wishes to kidnap me.

Adding disguise cards would not affect the Site Administration's public image. I don't believe my amazing colleagues in this Administration will intentionally run around in disguise all day to ignore responsibility and their duties; if they do, they should be fired.

Disguise cards would be handy for leaving a dangerous area to get to safety, like our offices, maintaining confidentiality during an inspection of a particular area, or not being identified in a humvee while C.I. is trying to matador me into the ground.

Overall, the amount of roleplay created by giving Site Administration cards is significantly higher than just letting some Nu-7 or GSD follow me without saying a word, staring blankly into the abyss.

It's important to remember that as the most public figures on the site, we also face the highest risk from hostile GOIs and other on-site domestic groups who wish to bring us harm. There have been numerous instances where other GOIs , not just C.I. , have targeted us for assassination, kidnapping, or torture due to our policies. Not only that, but also, not long ago, a domestic organization wanted me dead for blowing the whistle regarding their slander and plans to start attacking O-1, A-1, and both regions of Site Command.

I could think of dozens of creative ways to use a disguise card for actual roleplay purposes rather than just to avoid getting kidnapped. It's a handy tool that needs to be regulated if given to Site Administration; that being said, there should and will be regulations on disguise cards for Site Administration to prevent us from blatantly using the cards as a replacement for an escort.

I can use the disguise card tool to enhance role-play in many situations; however, I am not sure if future Site Administration will hold the same views and predisposition toward using disguise cards.

I only keep this as a minor support because we are the site's public face. Although I know the people in my Administration aren't going to abuse this feature to hide constantly and remain in the shadows, it still doesn't sit right with me. This isn't going to get accepted for this reason and this reason alone.

S.A. guarding subregiments have been a dime a dozen on the U.S. server, and they usually are either underutilized or the subregiment doesn't have enough manpower to provide near-constant protection for Site Administration. Interest by their members is generally extremely high. Then, it levels off when they face the reality of what this part of their job entails; instead of being able to matador C.I. vehicles into the ground on the surface or shoot D-Class running out of the airlock with a knife, they just get to walk around with me for hours, which isn't very fun nor roleplay enhancing.