[ UK ] Roselle's 2nd ECC Application.

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Broda said:
Interesting move to apply for ECC, I'll grant you that

In relation to the current Committee, you do take aim at them in this and quite rightly so. How would you deal with any current Committee members breaking the established lore purpose for Ethics?
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Alrighty! Was waiting for your question.

So the first week of ECC (if i were to get it) would be observation, see how the current Ethics Members handle situations, after this will be an honest review of each Individually. I'll point out what aspects make sense, and how to improve upon issues brought up about them.
I will keep up this pattern, one week a month i will be observing them, and the process will repeat. This is something I intend to keep up, communication to me is vital. If people don't know where they're going wrong, how can they improve?

What if a report occurs mid way through the week?
Well, first and foremost, is there evidence? If there is- how i respond will be based on if its an IC or OOC issue.

IC - Its situational, however depending on how serious the situation is, i'd give a private order to specific individuals of IE and ECA's, the people investigating would vary. Their role would be to go around and gather as much of the evidence on the situation as they can and report it back to me. From there, well I'd then order the ECM in for for a meeting.

OOC - Gather evidence from all involved, question the offending ECM to see their perspective. From there I would make a decision on the matter.

In general that's how i'd go about reports regardless.
 
Coral Lycensoft said:
Alrighty! Was waiting for your question.

So the first week of ECC (if i were to get it) would be observation, see how the current Ethics Members handle situations, after this will be an honest review of each Individually. I'll point out what aspects make sense, and how to improve upon issues brought up about them.
I will keep up this pattern, one week a month i will be observing them, and the process will repeat. This is something I intend to keep up, communication to me is vital. If people don't know where they're going wrong, how can they improve?

What if a report occurs mid way through the week?
Well, first and foremost, is there evidence? If there is- how i respond will be based on if its an IC or OOC issue.

IC - Its situational, however depending on how serious the situation is, i'd give a private order to specific individuals of IE and ECA's, the people investigating would vary. Their role would be to go around and gather as much of the evidence on the situation as they can and report it back to me. From there, well I'd then order the ECM in for for a meeting.

OOC - Gather evidence from all involved, question the offending ECM to see their perspective. From there I would make a decision on the matter.

In general that's how i'd go about reports regardless.
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What about the Ethics purpose and the Greatest Lie? How would you get The Committee back to that point? Its been a concern from me for a bit and I've spoken to some ECMs about it lately in relation to the hyper-aggressive nature of O1/ECAs/ECMs lately which completely violates the point of The Ethics Committee and its shadowy hand.
 
For those uninformed like myself, but what actually was the reason for your removal? I keep hearing about it but never actually heard the story
 
Broda said:
What about the Ethics purpose and the Greatest Lie? How would you get The Committee back to that point? Its been a concern from me for a bit and I've spoken to some ECMs about it lately in relation to the hyper-aggressive nature of O1/ECAs/ECMs lately which completely violates the point of The Ethics Committee and its shadowy hand.
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Well, as stated in my application I'd begin to shift the mindset of the current ECM's, O1 & ECA's.

In terms of working with the O5 :
A mindset is something that'll take time to change, but overall i'd encourage collaboration with the other side.
Those who are caught purposefully causing issues will be talked too (this wouldn't be a verbal warning) , if they continue they'll be warned, continuation of that attitude will result in strikes.
O1 & ECA's :
> Joint operations & trainings for A1 & O1 (possible story line potential). Maybe a possible wargame (Not actual war but more so a competition).
Another change i wish to encourage is O1 to interact more with the rest of the site, enhance their cover story. Yes they guard the ECM's & ECA's, but their cover story dictates that they aid in the protection of the site.
They're a specialised MTF, why would they only be guarding the Ethics Committee over protecting the Site? That clearly shows some form of tether between them. Afterall, the best way to protect the Ethics Committee is to protect the site.

> Encourage ECA's to interact more with their fellow assistants. Lower their guard to gather information.

As for the ECM's, I will be encouraging them to see the O5 as collaborators, both sides work for the same organisation. Why should we be in constant conflict? In terms of logistics it makes no sense.
Along with this, if something along the lines of : ECM/O1/ECA being kidnapped and/or tortured by the O5 side with no probable cause then... Well... That's an abuse of their power. Lets get ISD involved, send in the ECA's and operatives to gather all the evidence. If it's found that its all of them acting in this way, maybe more.. Drastic measures can be put into place.

Some won't like this shift, some won't like the fact i'll be pushing for us to be seen as having not power. We won't be powerless, we'll simply focus in or enforcing the idea that we're pencil pushers.
 
Coral Lycensoft said:
Well, as stated in my application I'd begin to shift the mindset of the current ECM's, O1 & ECA's.

In terms of working with the O5 :
A mindset is something that'll take time to change, but overall i'd encourage collaboration with the other side.
Those who are caught purposefully causing issues will be talked too (this wouldn't be a verbal warning) , if they continue they'll be warned, continuation of that attitude will result in strikes.
O1 & ECA's :
> Joint operations & trainings for A1 & O1 (possible story line potential). Maybe a possible wargame (Not actual war but more so a competition).
Another change i wish to encourage is O1 to interact more with the rest of the site, enhance their cover story. Yes they guard the ECM's & ECA's, but their cover story dictates that they aid in the protection of the site.
They're a specialised MTF, why would they only be guarding the Ethics Committee over protecting the Site? That clearly shows some form of tether between them. Afterall, the best way to protect the Ethics Committee is to protect the site.

> Encourage ECA's to interact more with their fellow assistants. Lower their guard to gather information.

As for the ECM's, I will be encouraging them to see the O5 as collaborators, both sides work for the same organisation. Why should we be in constant conflict? In terms of logistics it makes no sense.
Along with this, if something along the lines of : ECM/O1/ECA being kidnapped and/or tortured by the O5 side with no probable cause then... Well... That's an abuse of their power. Lets get ISD involved, send in the ECA's and operatives to gather all the evidence. If it's found that its all of them acting in this way, maybe more.. Drastic measures can be put into place.

Some won't like this shift, some won't like the fact i'll be pushing for us to be seen as having not power. We won't be powerless, we'll simply focus in or enforcing the idea that we're pencil pushers.
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I wouldn't want to see strikes issued like that for any "trouble making" in an IC capacity, but rather explore the avenue of what RP can be done via it. Whether that is a closed doors hearing internally or some other form of IC consequence.

Their cover story is fine as it is and joint endeavors with A1 could work nicely, GM dependent of course. The tether will always be there as their very obvious bunk space (They are terrible at hiding this) is located next to reception, its just something you gotta work around. I don't see anything mentioned about O1 implementing PoIs properly or tracking unethical behaviour.

I'm not sure getting ISD involved either in an Overseer's malicious action is the correct course either, you'd deal with this via prepping an Assassination via Omega-1 if said Overseer was beyond redemption.

Chairman is a very important role as you are the focal point for the entire Ethics gameplay loop and the reactionary roleplay body that intervenes quietly when necessary. I didn't see you do any of this as an Ethics Member either. Whilst you are great at being sociable and can be nice to talk to IC and OOC, its not enough to get ECC.

I'll always wish you luck with it but I don't think this is the right move for you nor Ethics at this moment in time. You still got a bit to dive into
 
Broda said:
I wouldn't want to see strikes issued like that for any "trouble making" in an IC capacity, but rather explore the avenue of what RP can be done via it. Whether that is a closed doors hearing internally or some other form of IC consequence.
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You and I were literally there for AO's worst time period on the UK server where there was constant hyperaggression leading to wars all the time (Those who remember Generic), and were both happily ready to give out strikes to ANYONE starting shit. IC relations is one thing, intentionally stoking wars just because they CAN which is something certain people in AO/CL5 were guilty of when Coral was formerly ECM is absolutely a strike worthy thing and I don't understand your opposition to it this time.
Broda said:
Their cover story is fine as it is and joint endeavors with A1 could work nicely, GM dependent of course. The tether will always be there as their very obvious bunk space (They are terrible at hiding this) is located next to reception, its just something you gotta work around. I don't see anything mentioned about O1 implementing PoIs properly or tracking unethical behaviour.
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Maxo's app is literally being -supported by myself and others because of the fact he's held his hands up and admitted the current committee are roleplaying so aggressively of late that the entire nature of the Ethics cover story is at risk of exploding. Coral actually wants to stem that flow by changing tack and has far more credence to do so with my personal vouch for her style of roleplay when I was around her as O5 while she was ECM, thus making what you're saying actually kind of be a positive for her plans?
Broda said:
I'm not sure getting ISD involved either in an Overseer's malicious action is the correct course either, you'd deal with this via prepping an Assassination via Omega-1 if said Overseer was beyond redemption.
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ISD literally were part of multiple AO pseudo and actual conflicts numerous times during your time as Commissioner and Director, many times AGAINST Overseers.
Broda said:
Chairman is a very important role as you are the focal point for the entire Ethics gameplay loop and the reactionary roleplay body that intervenes quietly when necessary. I didn't see you do any of this as an Ethics Member either. Whilst you are great at being sociable and can be nice to talk to IC and OOC, its not enough to get ECC.
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Because she was demoted prematurely.

Coral has my +Support. I think the current playerbase is very mature in admitting Ethics is in a rut right now, but we also agree that it's come BECAUSE of decisions of the current members of CL5 who roleplayed in a way that negatively impacts the image of the cover story. From how she roleplayed when she was ECM last time, I 100% believe she is the best candidate to spearhead a redemption of that image.
 
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Cain Morris said:
-support. I dont have an issue with you, your a nice person but I just wouldn't want you as ECC icl.
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You all are great for server health. I can't help but chime in.

Cain: Come up with some criticism.

Julien: I'm sure you think that considering you got them removed from ECM in the first place.

Also, don't silence the man. He's right.

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Anyway, I have to +supp because interacting with you before I left was oddly pleasant. You don't minge a bunch but you're also able to handle the silliness of the server without turning your nose up at it. As such you can handle dealing with the wide spectrum of people on the server without breaking character. It would be very good to have an ECC who can chuckle at small jokes but also handle serious situations without shattering the whole illusion that Ethics is trying to maintain. It also helps that this applicant isn't saying 'I'm part of the problem'. Cough cough.
 
This isn't what I excpeted, the odds are stacked very much against you, so far on DEA you have proven yourself time and time again, creating high grade RP with the UN that isn't pure bloodshed.

and I heard about your work in the EC beforehand, I do hope that you follow on your words and truly fix these glaring issue.

So, +Support.

I would like to state, if you do not get ECC, you should attempt ECM(If a slot opens) and try to fix the issues there.
 
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I have seen Coral around the site and will say they are very nice and approachable, but I feel like they lack authority in certain situations. I have seen an instance where DEA Agents were walking over her and simply ignoring her while she appeared to just let it happen. - Not sure if punishments were given out after, but looked weird in public. (It was some captured CI interrogation 2-3weeks ago)

I think if she wants to go for ECC, she should at least familiarise herself with the current Ethics Committee before jumping blindly into dealing with the issues with the current Committee members.
 
Morikas Laritho said:
+Support

Pretty good as an ECM
Also they are just getting shot down for the dumbest reasons
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Can someone remove this like my messaged was removed as its not very constructive, as in it doesn't go into heavy detail on why they should be promoted @Apex your the man to do this!

Since everyone is crying about how I -supported without constructive criticism here it is:
I want to begin by saying I have no issue with you, Coral, you are one of the people I more prefer on the server.

- Now then, I don't really want to see you as ECC because, first of all when you were around as ECM you didnt make many changes unlike how you said you would in your ECM application which leads me to believe this could be the same case with this.
- Secondly, when you were ECM a lot of the time you just spoke about how "stressful" the role was and how the role was annoying you and a bunch of other stuff which really made it sound like you were treating this like it was a job which is the worst trait to have on this server.
- Third, your demotion from ECM, it has been kept so under wraps and even above someone asked about it and you simply respond with " I'm not gonna open that can of worms here.". People are asking because they want to know what you did before we put you in a spot like ECC in case you do it again. You seem to be hiding it because you know it could look bad on you or this application.

Now hopefully this is constructive enough for staff ( @Apex ) and hopefully it won't get deleted because my opinion is different than everyone else's, with this I am leaving my -Support.
 
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