Why do USA not enforce a bunch of rules?

[Zen]

This has been something that has come up time and time again on Discord and whatever. Someone will complain that a UK admin came onto USA and enforced a rule, with the person complaining having issues with the staff members enforcing the rules, rather than the staff members that are failing to enforce this. I know this was something that USA staff were told they should be doing ages ago, but it seems pretty clear that it's not from complaints from USA players in mess hall. For as long as I can remember, things like mixing, naming con, bhopping, etc. are all not enforced most of the time on USA, whereas it is very much so on UK - why? Is this a staff policy or are USA staff genuinely just ignoring certain rules because they feel like it?

I'm mainly bringing this up because I keep seeing USA players getting mad at UK staff that come on simply because they do actually enforce rules like those and they feel that because USA staff don't enforce it, it's allowed and should be allowed. It seems like UK staff regularly get shit for this despite this not being at all their fault. I do remember getting it a lot myself when I was staff - the moment I started trying to enforce naming con, 90% of players I pulled would get mad at me and say stuff like "I've had this name for months and only you've had an issue with it" when their name is like Joe Biden or Springle Sprangle Dingle Dangle or something like that. It never made sense that those names weren't already being pulled immediately, and they were on UK, and it just meant that only UK staff would enforce them on USA and then they'd get shit for it with a lot of USA players just broadly proclaiming that UK staff are bad for enforcing the actual server rules.

 

[Zen]

For the record, I'm not trying to get onto USA staff about this, I'm just trying to find out why those rules are not generally enforced, because it seems to cause friction between UK and USA, especially between UK staff and USA players

 

[chez_curd]

I guess USA staff might be more laxxed than UK? Not entirely sure. I try to enforce all the rules to the best of my ability, however I'm just one person.. so.

 

[ripjaw567]

This has been something that has come up time and time again on Discord and whatever. Someone will complain that a UK admin came onto USA and enforced a rule, with the person complaining having issues with the staff members enforcing the rules, rather than the staff members that are failing to enforce this. I know this was something that USA staff were told they should be doing ages ago, but it seems pretty clear that it's not from complaints from USA players in mess hall. For as long as I can remember, things like mixing, naming con, bhopping, etc. are all not enforced most of the time on USA, whereas it is very much so on UK - why? Is this a staff policy or are USA staff genuinely just ignoring certain rules because they feel like it?

I'm mainly bringing this up because I keep seeing USA players getting mad at UK staff that come on simply because they do actually enforce rules like those and they feel that because USA staff don't enforce it, it's allowed and should be allowed. It seems like UK staff regularly get shit for this despite this not being at all their fault. I do remember getting it a lot myself when I was staff - the moment I started trying to enforce naming con, 90% of players I pulled would get mad at me and say stuff like "I've had this name for months and only you've had an issue with it" when their name is like Joe Biden or Springle Sprangle Dingle Dangle or something like that. It never made sense that those names weren't already being pulled immediately, and they were on UK, and it just meant that only UK staff would enforce them on USA and then they'd get shit for it with a lot of USA players just broadly proclaiming that UK staff are bad for enforcing the actual server rules.

Hey Zen, this is something that shouldn't be occurring (Staff not enforcing rules) as Staff members (Both servers) are expected to not only follow all rules, but enforce all rules.

If you find any staff member (US or UK) is not enforcing rules, please make a staff complaint in the Complaints section.

 

[Zen]

Hey Zen, this is something that shouldn't be occurring (Staff not enforcing rules) as Staff members (Both servers) are expected to not only follow all rules, but enforce all rules.

If you find any staff member (US or UK) is not enforcing rules, please make a staff complaint in the Complaints section.

That's the problem, I would if I knew what was even going on. I'm going based off of USA players yapping in mess hall every other week about "UK staff are shit, they made me change my name from Colonel Sanders that USA staff let me have for 27 years" or similar stuff for mixing or whatever.

 

[jankers jankerson jank]

This is the usa server people probaly do the zaza before logging on also there probaly was smth serious before cadets chefs were like "you know what fuck this bullshit" and just went whole loony tunes style and now its more of so the chill server not to mention humour diffrence british humour is more of so you have to think deeply about the joke american humour is haha i do something random so funny and thats how the order collapses underneath also not to mention time zones most admins probaly think of the united kingdom as the serious rp so they all go there and the left over people become usa admins because i think this kind of stuff happens often in other servers

 

[Cheetah]

It is rather cooked. When I went on USA I would see a bunch of common obvious rule breaks happening but not being enforced. It is not only the lower ranked USA staff members, but also SL and SSL on USA that ignore the same obvious rule breaks, which have an obvious effect on the lower ranks.

 

[Headbutt]

usa more chilled. keep it that way, you dont want the uk staff team they will warn you for everything

 

[Starling6]

uk players cannot imagine a world where us players have fun

 

[Damian 'Damned']

Beacuse this is a game after all. If you warn players for every single slip up it becomes extremely unfun to play and stressful to always by every single little ruling and stuff.
The us Community is also largely different from uk so there’s that.

 

[Demi]

This has been an ongoing issue for years. I remember very clearly that about 2–3 years ago, we had an incident where a UK SL member joined the US server to help out because almost no staff were online. Naturally, an SL member is expected to enforce the rules according to the handbook and the punishment guidelines like any other staff member.

But of course, some US players made a massive complaint simply because they didn’t "like" rules being enforced. And the rules in question weren’t even complicated or subjective ones, it was basic stuff like naming conventions or RDM, which doesn’t require much discretion because they’re very straightforward most of the time.

Every time i have returned to CN I rejoin the staff team because i find some sort of pleausre in helping people having a better experience and i do enjoy being here as a whole but this issue still found a way to appear.​

Also, staff don't warn for everything, there is a whole handbook and a punishment guideline for them to follow, you being warned/banned is mostly a rulebreak not them being a dick.

 

[Evil]

For the record, I'm not trying to get onto USA staff about this, I'm just trying to find out why those rules are not generally enforced, because it seems to cause friction between UK and USA, especially between UK staff and USA players

because half the rules uk makes are stupid and the other half are SL rulings that make no sense UK like their serious role player while US likes combat.

Hey Zen, this is something that shouldn't be occurring (Staff not enforcing rules) as Staff members (Both servers) are expected to not only follow all rules, but enforce all rules.

If you find any staff member (US or UK) is not enforcing rules, please make a staff complaint in the Complaints section.

i mean good luck trying to remove all the us staff players for not enforce stupid ass rules yall make

 

[ripjaw567]

because half the rules uk makes are stupid and the other half are SL rulings that make no sense UK like their serious role player while US likes combat.


i mean good luck trying to remove all the us staff players for not enforce stupid ass rules yall make

Not going to comment on your second point. However for the first point:

Rules are the same across both servers.

Mixing, Name Con, BHopping, all of these things that people complain about being enforced apply to both servers and its not rules the "UK made" these are rules in the official server rules which any user can view.

The rules are not different across servers, they are the same, and should be enforced & punished the same.

 

[Average member podidski]

The funny and sad truth to this that: The issue will never end unless one of server's is removed and is kept to one.

The Server culture's are made as server life goes older and moves on, UK and USA has two cultures that are same on outside but inside are not, while NL can put the iron fist into USA Staff team and make them enforce rules on USA server but isn't it gonna make server die out in long term? Even if it takes 5 years or to point when GMOD multiplayer finally dies out?

While two servers are "Serious Roleplay" but can you really call it when one server allows small trolling / minging while the other hates it and only LARPs? The servers are combat focused but the one accepts it while the other one tries to make it roleplay focused.

It's like East and West / North and South. They are in same bubble and area but they do different things and think different.

 

[sahns]

Because EU > US

 

[Damian 'Damned']

Because EU > US

as an eu guy, this isn't true objectively.

 

[Headbutt]

as an eu guy, this isn't true objectively.

 

[Astra]

Wowzers! maybe don't play on the U.S server if your concerned about the way the server operates!

 

[Yoyo]

because UK is ruleplay/roleplay and US is funny moments / combat / with lucky roleplay if a rp leader gets on

 

[Layra "Nyx" Nightfall]

This has been something that has come up time and time again on Discord and whatever. Someone will complain that a UK admin came onto USA and enforced a rule, with the person complaining having issues with the staff members enforcing the rules, rather than the staff members that are failing to enforce this. I know this was something that USA staff were told they should be doing ages ago, but it seems pretty clear that it's not from complaints from USA players in mess hall. For as long as I can remember, things like mixing, naming con, bhopping, etc. are all not enforced most of the time on USA, whereas it is very much so on UK - why? Is this a staff policy or are USA staff genuinely just ignoring certain rules because they feel like it?

I'm mainly bringing this up because I keep seeing USA players getting mad at UK staff that come on simply because they do actually enforce rules like those and they feel that because USA staff don't enforce it, it's allowed and should be allowed. It seems like UK staff regularly get shit for this despite this not being at all their fault. I do remember getting it a lot myself when I was staff - the moment I started trying to enforce naming con, 90% of players I pulled would get mad at me and say stuff like "I've had this name for months and only you've had an issue with it" when their name is like Joe Biden or Springle Sprangle Dingle Dangle or something like that. It never made sense that those names weren't already being pulled immediately, and they were on UK, and it just meant that only UK staff would enforce them on USA and then they'd get shit for it with a lot of USA players just broadly proclaiming that UK staff are bad for enforcing the actual server rules.

As an Ex staff member who actively tried to enforce these rules i know just the answer.

Issue being that rules such as naming cons, mixing (mostly mixing) will go unpunished because staff are not enforcing it because its not 'too severe' by the admission of US staff team about 3 months ago. If you do try to enforce these rules you will be bullied and your day will be made 100 times worse by people who just hold grudges because you told them that mixing is against rules.

From experience i can tell you that my mental health extremely tanked as soon as a bunch of idiots started harrasing me all over the internet from CN (I couldn't prove it was them since alts but it was kinda obvious). If you ask, yes you can mute them, ban them and whatever but if they follow you afterwards, it doesen't really matter, which then inturn leads you to not enforce certain rules even subcontiously. Also that there are biases involved, majority of US players know one another and will try to cover for them (in the rarer cases, but can still happen).

To summarize this. US is much more combat oriented, you will find mixing and generally its unfriendly towards roleplay unlike UK.

Another example of this would be someone telling a person who is A-1 to change their name (from just codename) because they are not on A-1 job. On UK this is absolutely normal, but on US.. good luck not getting burned at the gates by the community.