Rule Suggestion Disallow instant strip binds or limit strip binds to one item

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Senior Ambassador Sledge

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
You will no longer be able to hit a bind key to strip everything from someone in a matter of 2 seconds.

If the change is too drastic or many simply don't like the idea, I think limiting a strip bind to one item would be fine, and then you'd have to manually type the other items you'd like stripped.


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
No idea

Possible Positives of the suggestion:
Makes sense RP wise since you wouldn't be able to just take every item from someone within a span of a second

Now it will actually take considerable effort to strip items since you'll have to manually type exact items you want to be stripped.

Makes it less confusing for players who don't understand the strip mechanic since people won't be including things that cannot actually be stripped I.E cyanide, weapons, keycards, etc. This is because no one will specifically type in these items since it'll be a waste of time since they can't actually strip those items.

Would allow multiple people to strip one person at once, each would be asked to strip a specific item so that the detainee would still lose all their equipment anyway.


Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
People who type slow will be at a major disadvantage

This could drastically mess with how pvp works in the server and would have to be tested beforehand.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
The suggestion should be accepted because it not only makes sense, but it makes stripping equipment would now require a team effort if you wanted someone to lose everything.
 

Cheesy

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On one hand no more instant strip which is extremely annoying, on the other hand strip swep like everyone else mentioned
 

Zen

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That's really dumb given there is a weapon checker for a reason but that is an issue within itself. All combative jobs should have weapon checker and interrogate imo.
Fun fact: No E-11 roles have a weapon checker, and only Officer has an interrogation tool.
 

Bush von Mann

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Okay, the major problem with this suggestion is panic keybinds. The reason most people (or from my experience in UK CI) do bind strips is because whoever hits their bind first, loses. Panic binds can still be hit while under FearRP, as of course they're panic buttons.

This puts deep covers and DIA trying to kidnap players at a major disadvantage, which heavily affects the rules there.
Right now it's as simple as whoever hits their bind first wins, however this new change could cause a lot of moderation drama.

TL;DR: Good for RP, bad for PVP.

-SUPPORT (leaning to neutral)
 
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Okay, the major problem with this suggestion is panic keybinds. The reason most people (or from my experience in UK CI) do bind strips is because whoever hits their bind first, loses. Panic binds can still be hit while under FearRP, as of course they're panic buttons.

This puts deep covers and DIA trying to kidnap players at a major disadvantage, which heavily affects the rules there.
Right now it's as simple as whoever hits their bind first wins, however this new change could cause a lot of moderation drama.

TL;DR: Good for RP, bad for PVP.

-SUPPORT (leaning to neutral)
You can't strip if the person isn't under fear rp I.E more guns on them or detained. I don't understand how it's a race to whoever hits the bind first.

Deep Covers can still fearrp and restrain, the "meta" would probably be make your bind take comms and then type out headcam and then suicide devices such as bleach.


I think this is perfectly reasonable
 

Bush von Mann

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Deep Covers can still fearrp and restrain, the "meta" would probably be make your bind take comms and then type out headcam and then suicide devices such as bleach.

This is confusing.
What I said was that even if you use FearRP, FearRP doesn't apply to panic buttons, because they're panic buttons, you press them as soon as you think you're in danger without thinking (e.g. valuing your life, as you don't evaluate the situation fully).

This means that even if you FearRP and restrain them, they will hit their panic buttons, which is why we do comm removal binds. Otherwise (if you're deepcover) your cover will be completely blown.
 
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This is confusing.
What I said was that even if you use FearRP, FearRP doesn't apply to panic buttons, because they're panic buttons, you press them as soon as you think you're in danger without thinking (e.g. valuing your life, as you don't evaluate the situation fully).

This means that even if you FearRP and restrain them, they will hit their panic buttons, which is why we do comm removal binds. Otherwise (if you're deepcover) your cover will be completely blown.
I think you misunderstand what I mean by strip binds. I'm saying I think it's stupid to press a button and suddenly within a span of a second, you lose everything but your clothes. I am not talking about panic buttons at all.
 

wiggy

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The only thing you can take away *now* is communications. Cyanide can't be stolen/stripped and only stopped by a gag. Weapons need to be used with a weapon checker (else its powergaming)

Stripping head cam would be nice.
 

Zen

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The only thing you can take away *now* is communications. Cyanide can't be stolen/stripped and only stopped by a gag. Weapons need to be used with a weapon checker (else its powergaming)

Stripping head cam would be nice.
On UK server at least, weapon stripping via binds is currently seen by staff as allowed, to my knowledge.
 
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Bush von Mann

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I think you misunderstand what I mean by strip binds. I'm saying I think it's stupid to press a button and suddenly within a span of a second, you lose everything but your clothes. I am not talking about panic buttons at all.
Thing is I am talking about panic buttons. The problem with removing strip binds would be that panic buttons would become OP :alien:
 

Senior Ambassador Sledge

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Thing is I am talking about panic buttons. The problem with removing strip binds would be that panic buttons would become OP :alien:
Panic buttons are an entirely different can of worms I don't wish to open. I think a simple "Panic! Im being kidnapped!" is fine, and panic buttons such as "I'm being kidnapped by CI! Go to 035 and rescue me!" is not fine.

I don't really see how that factors in here though
 

Niox

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Panic buttons are an entirely different can of worms I don't wish to open. I think a simple "Panic! Im being kidnapped!" is fine, and panic buttons such as "I'm being kidnapped by CI! Go to 035 and rescue me!" is not fine.

I don't really see how that factors in here though
if someone has a bind for every specific place in the Foundation and is able to memorise each bind I wouldn’t even be mad that they panic buttoned tbh
 
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