Accepted Make it failrp for SC to authorise 914 usage for their own personal gain

[Darren]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove: Adds a rule making it failrp for Mtfs / foundatoin personall to enmass abuse 914 for better weapons + more hp ive noticing this problem more and more with balance mainly as a ci dc where ive seen entire patrols of O1 combat medics running around with energy rifles double
barrels

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examples this of course isnt how the server is intended considering the entire goal of the foundation is to secure contain protect they contain anomalys they dont use them they dont sell them they dont destroy them this seems to not get around the head of Alpha 1 and Omega 1 plus O5 and ethics considering everytime i see a patrol of them they seem to have 150HP carrying energy rifles plus double barrels

SL have said they went through loudouts alot to ensure balance yet this is clearly breaking balance as if O1 wanna win every fight same with A1 they run over to 914 and get PKMs m249ns 44. magnums Sanctums double barrels etc all the sort which breaks balance considering Pkms + m249ns are extermely restricted and you and very few jobs actually have those weapons there is only 1 job in the game with 2 slots that has a PKM which is the ci Delta operative which is a cl4 position

and has a very strong LMG with only 2 slots this is balanced for the most M249s can only be found on E-11 Breachers Command sergeant job + Heavy weapons license Omega 1 Enforcement which is a Command sergeant job + heavy weapons license requirement and Alpha 1 Enforcement which requires CSG + heavy weapons all those jobs have 2 slots E-11 breacher 2 slots O1 enforcement 2 slots and A1 enforcement 2 slots

Plus m60 which i see O1 with alot which is available on the goc job with 2 slots so all in total these guns are rare but through the abuse of 914 thse weapons are every where i see 10+ O1 usually with Pkms m249s freedoms double barrels and they demolish everything no need to work your ass off in ci for Delta no need to work your ass off in e-11 O1 or A1 for Command sergeant just head on to 914 where site command have completley forgot their main purpose of Secure Contain Protect

this fucks up balance as any ci raid scps or dclass in these mtfs paths will get merked by them considering they have the best lmgs plus sniper rifle energy riflles that have the power to insta kill juggernauts with a headshot not including the double barrel shotguns and through use of 914 extra hp plus armor

this is pretty obvious not intended for balance loudouts were carefully chosen by server leadership to ensure balance but seems like SC seems to forget what being in the scp foundation means


Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2): Not every single O1 A1is carrying a rifle capable of soloeing a firing line : More rp doesnt make sense at all for the ethics comitee to arm cadets with LMGS ive seen this on multiple occasions: ive legit no cap heard people in teamspeak who were from O1 immediatly get off O1 cause they got mad they lost their double barrel


Possible Negatives of the suggestion: I dont see any i mean O1 and A1 might be sad their infinte supply of freedoms and Lmgs is gone


Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted: cause this is ruining RP as a whole this would be fine if mtfs were breakling the coe and doing it and if they got caught they could be demoted etc but it gets to a limit where ethics is authorising Mtf to walk into 914 to get their weapons and leave halfing almost every mtf having the strongest guns in teh server i imagine isnt intended if this is denied might aswell make freedoms sanctums double barrels standard Mtf O1 and a1 equipment at this point

 

[Broda]

O5 abuse SCPs for personal gain quite often within Lore. So for them and A1 im all for it. But Ethics and O1 im not so sure.

 

[Darren]

O5 abuse SCPs for personal gain quite often within Lore. So for them and A1 im all for it. But Ethics and O1 im not so sure.

fair point but still there is a crucial point balanced for balance etc loudouts are being massively changed for balance and for the sake of balance this should be a rule

 

[SamPaval]

Maybe make it an IC issue so if u see 05 abusing 914 then call ethics to dispute it

 

[Darren]

Maybe make it an IC issue so if u see 05 abusing 914 then call ethics to dispute it

problem is O5 and ethics are abusing it

 

[SamPaval]

problem is O5 and ethics are abusing it

Then goto 05-1 or ECC if u get evidence of them intentionally abusing SCPs for there own personal gain then they can be removed from CL5

 

[Reiner Zufall]

-Support
MTF can only use 914 with permission and this is extremly rarely. O5 and Ethics rarely use it about the picture that you posted, well i kinda agree with that other people should not use it without authorisation BUT this is still an IC issue. According to you CI and d class should not abuse it either? One thing i like to add is that ,do not forget how many times CI abuse chems and SCPs to their own benefit this is also an IC issue not an OOC one. CI also have better loadouts than MTF in general.

 

[RoxieCat2003]

-support
Feels more like an in game to deal with issue then a rule requirement

 

[Otters]

-Support

This happens not as much as you would think, is more of an IC issue aswell so skill issue ig.

 

[Darren]

MTF can only use 914 with permission and this is extremly rarely. O5 and Ethics rarely use it about the picture that you posted, well i kinda agree with that other people should not use it without authorisation BUT this is still an IC issue. According to you CI and d class should not abuse it either? One thing i like to add is that do not forget how many times CI abuse chems and SCPs to their benefit this is also an IC issue not an OOC one. CI also have better loadouts than MTF in general.

you do make a fair point about abusing the chems but a chemical does not give nearly as much of advantage as a PKM or m249 or Sanctum if this is rare then i will be bewildered considering every day i atleast 1 patrol of mtf / combat medics with m249ns pkms and freedoms and double barrels

 

[Reiner Zufall]

you do make a fair point about abusing the chems but a chemical does not give nearly as much of advantage as a PKM or m249 or Sanctum if this is rare then i will be bewildered considering every day i atleast 1 patrol of mtf / combat medics with m249ns pkms and freedoms and double barrels

Still abusing and authorisation is something different, it is an IC issue legal codex . You can play IA and arrest them if you like but from your point it sounds like no one should use it which is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Darren]

Still abusing and authorisation is something different, it is an IC issue legal codex . You can play IA and arrest them if you like but from your point it sounds like no one should use it which is wrong in my opinion.

play IA and arrest what so you are saying a IA agent can arrest a ethics member plus all of O1 and A1 if they decided to start using 914 ci loudouts are better than mtf for the reason ci has to raid and fight NU-7 B1 A1 O1 plus some e-11 therefore ci would be fucked over so to compensate ci gets better loudouts

this balance is put out of wack when 2 entire mtf regiments have the most OP guns in the game and on every single personal with extra hp

 

[Naffen]

-support
This is more of an IC issue than a server suggestion.
914 is rarely ever authorized, and Site Command authorizing it should have and usually do have a valid reason to be using it.
CI use 914 more than Foundation use it and you're complaining about a couple instances where ISD all used it where it got authorized for an important escort detail or mission.
You are widely misusing the word "abusing" as well and it's making you look like you just posted this as an in the moment rage incident. They aren't abusing it. If you feel like they are you should go to ECC or O5-1, maybe even SSL before jumping to a server suggestion.
This isn't a regular occurrence, and it won't be

 

[Mishashi]

IC issue.
Bring it up with Site Command.

 

[Darren]

-support
This is more of an IC issue than a server suggestion.
914 is rarely ever authorized, and Site Command authorizing it should have and usually do have a valid reason to be using it.
CI use 914 more than Foundation use it and you're complaining about a couple instances where ISD all used it where it got authorized for an important escort detail or mission.
You are widely misusing the word "abusing" as well and it's making you look like you just posted this as an in the moment rage incident. They aren't abusing it. If you feel like they are you should go to ECC or O5-1, maybe even SSL before jumping to a server suggestion.
This isn't a regular occurrence, and it won't be

ci use 914 when they get to 914 literally ci weaponizing scp IS CIS GOAL the entire point of ci is to use anomalies for their own goals

the foundations is to contain them the gocs is to destroy them this isnt a rarely authorised thing considering i see a patol of it once per day armed with double barrels xeons Pkms there

it is a regular occurance if it wasnt i wouldn of bothered but im seeing this daily which is why it pissed me off

 

[Darren]

IC issue.
Bring it up with Site Command.

yea problem is its site command using it

 

[Naffen]

ci use 914 when they get to 914 literally ci weaponizing scp IS CIS GOAL the entire point of ci is to use anomalies for their own goals

the foundations is to contain them the gocs is to destroy them this isnt a rarely authorised thing considering i see a patol of it once per day armed with double barrels xeons Pkms there

it is a regular occurance if it wasnt i wouldn of bothered but im seeing this daily which is why it pissed me off

I can call this right now you're just exaggerating your argument to the max. This is entirely an IC issue

 

[Mishashi]

yea problem is its site command using it

again
in-character issue, given in lore the O5 council makes use of every SCP imaginable just to extend their life/make it nigh impossible to kill them

bring it up to them as it shouldn't be done through OOC intervention

 

[Darren]

I can call this right now you're just exaggerating your argument to the max. This is entirely an IC issue

ic issue really who should it be reported to the ethics commitee? also im not exaggerating it at all considering ive seen O1 camping 914 for over 30 minutes farmng freedoms

 

[Fran 'Krsto']

-support