Pending Review The GENSEC Rework + D-Class

[GMAN0289]

Initial Statement, this part has nothing to do with the actual suggestion, just reasoning as to why I am making this suggestion.

I had taken a long break from the server in order for it to hopefully change aspects about GENSEC in a meaningful way. When I was originally COS during the rework, many of the ideas created by GENSEC leadership were completely ignored and instead Server Leadership ideas were instead put into place. This post serves as a comprehensive collection of all ways security should have been changed and reworked.

Spoiler: The Rework

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

This suggestion will go over changes that I feel would be beneficial for security, as well as changes to D-Class to equate the power imbalance that this rework could create.

Job Changes

Removal of SCU: This class overall dose not server to benefit GENSEC whatsoever in its current form. It is way to disconnected from normal GENSEC duties to the point where they are not present whatsoever in any meaningful capacity. This results in minges being drawn to the job as they are able to act stupid with little to no consequence especially since captains are unable to remove RRT and HWL on the fly and instead need to contact server leadership. Overall the job creates to much of a hassle and the alternative to the jobs role will be mentioned later on.

SRU moving from Level 2 to Level 3: This may be one of the most integral parts of this suggestion in order to make GENSEC a viable option for players. As it stands the current level 3 jobs in GENSEC (Officer) is much easier to get then SRU as SRU requires an RRT License to get on. The overall effort to get SRU isn't worth it. Additionally many site wide issues are communicated in level 3 comms which SRU don't have access to. Things like SCP Breaches, CI incursions, and other important information is rarly discussed in General comms below level 3. This results in SRu not evean being avle to do their job effectively as they are mostly out of the loop. Finally is access to Level 3 areas. There are many important areas around the site like SCP chambers and Level 4 areas that SRU cannot even touch due to their level 2 clearance. Overall if SRU was to gain access to level 3 the process of achieving the RRT license would be much more worthwhile, and create a reasonable role within GENSEC that is similar to DEA/IA Agent and MTF Operatives.

Job Additions

GENSEC Sergeant: The return of the Sergeant role as a whitelisted position would prove positive for GENSEC as it would help bridge the gap between level 3 and 4 within the department similar to how DEA Senior Agent and MTF SGT and CSG would be. Can be given by Captain+

GENSEC Lieutenant: This role would act as the Jr CL4 position within GENSEC and be given to all new officers within GENSEC

Captain Moved to Sr CL4 due to new LT job.

Loadout Changes

SRU and Sergeant Loadouts:

Offensive [Patrol]: F90, Grenade, Flashbang, Smoke Grenade, Tranq Pistol, Interrogate/Weapon Checker, Riot Shield.
Defensive [D-Block]: PP Bizon, KSG, Tranq Pistol, Interrogate/Weapon Checker, Deployable Shield.

Officer Loadout Change:

Removal of the dual loadout system and instead a single loadout, and just having the single D-Block loadout already available.

Lieutenant, Captain, and Chief Loadouts:

A single loadout consisting of: F90, KSG, Tranq Pistol, Deployable Shield.

Hierarchy change due to this suggestion:

GENSEC Senior Leadership [10 CL4]
Chief of Security: 2 Slots
Captain: 4 Slots
Lieutenant: 4 Slots

GENSEC Junior Leadership [ 16 CL3]
Sergeant [WL]: 4 Slots
SRU [RRT]: 8 Slots
Officer [No WL]: 4 Slots

GENSEC Enlisted [ 7 CL2/∞ CL1]
Guard: 7 Slots
Cadet: ∞ Slots

Spoiler: End Questions

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Yes both in past and in this newer suggestion Post

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Proper Hierarchy Structure.
A proper sense of progression within the department.
Still contains the level up progression that server leadership wants.
Is beginner friendly as the progression to CL3 in GENSEC is still achieved via level ups while further progression is laid out nicely for those wishing to progress.
More trust allocation from other departments and MTFs when it comes to GENSEC resulting in a much more friendly atmosphere overall.
GENSEC having jobs to be able to patrol with.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Time to develop.
Possible power imbalance with D-Class.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Overall this rework is intended to properly create a functional and more trusted department within the server. The role of GENSEC should be casual when it comes to achieving ranks. This rework would also benefit players who may not be interested in an MTF, and instead wish to contribute in a major way to the server and site without the time requirements of an MTF.

Spoiler: D-Class Buffs

D-Class Buffs

To balance out the major changes to GENSEC here are a few ways we can buff D-Class so they can compete.

Changing the exit door into airlock from CL2 to CL1 on the D-Class side.
Making scrap gathering easier and making easy quests.
Get scrap rewards for testing [50]

Buffing the Riot System.
Normal D-Class: 60% Chance for a knife or 40% for a gun, 40% chance to spawn with a CL1 Card.
D-Class Brute: Spawns with a KSG and CL2 on every flag up.
D-Class Scout spawns with an F90 and CL2 on every flag up.
Allow 2 D-Class Type Blues to spawn in instead of 1 for the riot. (If the riot ends apply self destruction to the extra type blue)

 

[Silent_Coco_xd]

-1 gensec cannot be fixed. They are special and deserve to be protected at all costs.

 

[Silent_Coco_xd]

bruh we gonna see endless riots if brutes and scouts get guns XD

 

[Emilia Foddg]

+support

 

[Kevin Ki]

+GSD changes. These are well thought out and I am happy to see them suggested by someone with longtime experience in the role.

-/+D-Class changes. I think a major stab at D-Class gameplay is getting a weapon drop is near impossible as a majority of GSD, DEA, roles don't drop their weapons but completely shred D-Class, add onto the fact Permas exist and don't drop either, D-Class just get screwed. But I don't think spawning with a gun is the ideal fix.

 

[Landon]

+support
the temporary d class tb during riots would help the d class get some extra firepower during riots seems fun

 

[Prplex]

Some of the gsd changes I like the sound of but I think the d class idea would not be very fun. That would effectively have multiple brutes as heavily armed with more hp than half of gensec. Remember they're supposed to he inmates not a private milita, would personally like to see more riots thought

 

[Ace 63]

+Support
-New GSD stuff seems weird but needed
-Will add more focus to GSD
-Might make GSD not seen as a joke department ?

 

[ToasterStrudels]

-Support for the d-class stuff. not needed.

 

[Ace 63]

-1 gensec cannot be fixed. They are special and deserve to be protected at all costs.

I want dem fixed tho

 

[grunger]

D-Class riot buffs are busted. Straight up no on that.

As for the security changes, much more in favour.

 

[Glazzing]

-support

 

[Bohemia]

+ Support

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

so you want to remove scu but not patrol units? it isnt d security its general security, and it should stay like that.

I would just increase level requirements of scu and remove the rrt because its effectively pointless

also cl3 sru isnt needed, since you are adding even more jobs

 

[GMAN0289]

so you want to remove scu but not patrol units? it isnt d security its general security, and it should stay like that.

I would just increase level requirements of scu and remove the rrt because its effectively pointless

also cl3 sru isnt needed, since you are adding even more jobs

The shit SCU dose can also be done by patrol units if they were given cl3. SCU is to disconnected from normal GENSEC due to their current loadouts and role. They are completely useless. GENSEC is meant to be General Security not containment. That shit is allocated for E-11 for a reason. We need more roles in GENSEC that encourage overall site wide use. This is so the department can supplement undermanned forces. Unfortunately level changes just aren't enough either as people can just wait for them like always. The point of the rework is to add an aspect to GENSEC where you dont get something by escorting tests all day, and allowing them to be General Security.

On an unrelated note the idea of D-Class getting these guns would be during a Riot phase not all the time.

 

[Kito]

+Support.

There needs to be a trade off during a Code-2 for GSD. Theres no reason to not call it whenever you see a few D-Class with knives or guns. Overall I think its a bit too agressive with the D-Class changes, but the GSD changes are very nice.

SRU was a role that was a wild-card by itself before, called "Containment Specialist", and it was the biggest pain in the ass for E-11 because they are CL3 and have the same perms E-11 does, and at the time got the Typhoon-12, a E-11 CSG weapon. So there wasnt much reason for E-11 besides whitelists n such.

I think SRU needs to stay, but it needs to have the ability to be job ban-able by CPT+ or SA+ or whatever. Also instead of just removing the role, I'd rather see a system for in-game license removal by non-staff.

The license system needs a rework as-is, since if you get removed from an MTF you need to get all your licenses back every time, or if you get transferred its the same deal. It makes it pretty annoying, and its really easy to just lie to staff and say you had all your licenses when you get to level 70 or higher, or have just played on the server enough.

 

[Captain 'Jacket' / Fang]

-SUPPORT

-Why would CL4 GSD have deployable shield? they are needed in D-block so they need a riot shield. (They can still add instead of switching shields)

-Why would you add a Lieutenant in GSD if there is already Tr. Captain, Captain and Sr. Captain? kinda useless and don't see the need of adding it to be fair with you.
-But i agree with you of adding Sergeants back and put them on whitelist role, this could help GSD cl3 not be random but more trusted
-Please remember, in riot shield, there is the word Riot wich happens only in D-block, i wouldn't suggest to put deployable shields to Station kit, shields don't need to be moved.

Spoiler: It doesn't respond to the post but i'm giving my opinion

To be honest the security departement would be very hard to change because it's a big pillar for new players, without GSD, nobody would have been MTF, Staff etc... Removing stuff or changing stuff would have an important impact OOC

-Changing the clearance level of SRU would also mean to change the level requirement to get the license, i hope you also thought about it.

 

[GMAN0289]

-SUPPORT

-Why would CL4 GSD have deployable shield? they are needed in D-block so they need a riot shield. (They can still add instead of switching shields)

-Why would you add a Lieutenant in GSD if there is already Tr. Captain, Captain and Sr. Captain? kinda useless and don't see the need of adding it to be fair with you.
-But i agree with you of adding Sergeants back and put them on whitelist role, this could help GSD cl3 not be random but more trusted
-Please remember, in riot shield, there is the word Riot wich happens only in D-block, i wouldn't suggest to put deployable shields to Station kit, shields don't need to be moved.

Spoiler: It doesn't respond to the post but i'm giving my opinion

To be honest the security departement would be very hard to change because it's a big pillar for new players, without GSD, nobody would have been MTF, Staff etc... Removing stuff or changing stuff would have an important impact OOC

-Changing the clearance level of SRU would also mean to change the level requirement to get the license, i hope you also thought about it.

I can understand the point with deplyable shields. The idea of the post was to spark discussion on all fronts with GENSEC. The reeson why I heavily edited the loadouts was to make Cadet, Guard, and Officer center more around D-Block while SRU would be more of a site wide thing hence the Offensive and Defensive kit. With SRU it should be a level 3 job as like I said in the post it is much harder to get the RRT license then level up to officer. I think that change overall with increased levels would be fine. As for being other roles on site MTFs and other departments have a very distinct role on the site and additional roles that GENSEC would not be able to do (Like go to surface). I think this change would only make security personnel around the site much more of a frequent occurrence making it easier to (for example) stop CI breach raids which completely halt rp.

 

[Hypnotoad]

+ support for gensec change

I never understood why DEA got 4 extra SR CL4 positions additional to their directors when that format would be better suited to a department like Gensec, I like the idea of the change but of course, some things need work. Good luck.

 

[Billy "Villager" Bob]

Major + support on GSD part
-support on the d class part

D class brutes dont need a KSG during riots. It will just make it unfair for the foundation side.
I fully agree on the gsd part as right now most of the officers do not get trusted by anyone to for example lead a sweep. It would be great to have a CL3 WL for GSD.