Content Meeting Discussion [Content Team Thread] Community Ideas and Feedback - G.O.C

[Tay]

G.O.C Feedback & Suggestions Thread

Enhancements to the Global Occult Coalition​

Hey everyone,

We’re putting this thread together to gather your thoughts on the Global Occult Coalition (G.O.C). What it currently offers, where it falls short, and how we can improve it to make it a more exciting and involved faction on the server.

Whether you’re part of the G.O.C., have interacted with them in roleplay, or just have ideas you think could help expand them as a whole, we want to hear it.

What We're Aiming For:

We want the G.O.C. to feel like:

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  - A strong, standout presence on the surface
  - A faction with clear, unique goals and personality
  - A fun and interesting experience for both members and outsiders
  - A meaningful part of the wider server roleplay
  - A faction to balance out the Foundation's and the Chaos Insurgency's eternal war while still pursuing its own goals

Some Things to Think About:

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  - What kind of activities or missions should the G.O.C. be doing?
  - How can they have more impact on surface or cross-faction roleplay?
  - Are there new tools, gear, or roles they could have?
  - What makes the G.O.C. feel different from other factions?
  - What's currently missing from the experience?
  - What does your ideal G.O.C. look like?
  - How should diplomacy and military actions be conducted by the G.O.C.?

If you’ve got feedback, ideas, or even flat-out concepts. Please post them below! Just try to be detailed so we can fully understand what you’re suggesting. We’re open to all kinds of input, whether it’s a small tweak or a major shift.

Please know, while we will be reviewing all feedback, this does not mean everything said will be accepted by default. Ideas and feedback will be tallied up in a suggestion thread for Content Team and Senior Server Leadership+ to review.

Keep the thread on topic, we will be forced to reply-ban people and delete messages if they don't contribute to the thread as a whole.

Thanks for helping us shape the future of the G.O.C.

– The Content Team

 

[Aphex]

We need a larger garage or different spawn zones. But in past we've been told multiple times that they aren't going to put focus on the GOC dev-wise as F and CI are more notable on the server

I haven’t noticed the clipping issue you are talking about, but the LAV within the garage does indeed have its… issues. When you leave the LAV you get in the roof a lot.

The lack of dev support point isn’t true anymore, because firstly, the mere existence of this forum means that CT is prioritising GOC a bit more. I also know for a fact that at least one dev is working on the famed “GOC Rework,” and another is working on some vehicles for GOC.
Additionally, I don’t think a GOC base rework is too far off, especially considering @Harry (my goat) became dev again…

 

["Seraphim"]

Not at all, people see them as a faction and know they're strong, they just don't respect them because of all the dumb things they use as a excuse to raid and kill people like a CI V2.0 rather than actually trying to RP. For a long time they were allowed to do RP discussion/actions with foundation because people were actually trying to RP, then they started stealing SCPs from foundation during these and expecting a red carpet annoying people enough to make them NOT want them around.

When other's don't want to play with you, the solution isn't get a big stick and smack them till they do, it's to reevaluate why they don't. GOC's issue is their gameplay is reliant on all of the server just kissing their butt whenever they do something bad, and for some ungodly reason there's people who's only solution is "Give us a bigger gun!!!" Vs "Give us something to do on our own to create RP"

Oh look, another person who has gotten GOC completely wrong. I have yet to see a reply more copious and inaccurate than this one.

GOC U.S. are not allowed to HIT our courtyard at all stated by NL, we are allowed to hit our embassy but not our courtyard which is why we don't use 1k bomb in front of our base. As for stealing anomalies, GOC U.S. have not stolen an anomaly from Foundation in a very long time, not even during the war with foundation.

As for kissing ass to foundation, that's how I know you haven't paid attention. I don't know if you've seen me at the relations meetings when we were repairing relations but I sure as hell made sure GOC wasn't kissing anyone's ass. If GOC does something we all fully intended to do we don't cower and kiss ass until it goes away because that'd go against everything I want GOC U.S. to be, people who make their own RP and don't rely on foundation or CI for a gameplay loop.

As for us wanting something to do to create our own RP, yeah its because we don't have a gameplay loop. I have no idea how people don't realize that without a gameplay loop were gonna be doing lots of stuff with foundation as there's lots of stuff to do with them compared to CI where we raid and that's it. Given, we still do stuff with CI just not as much stuff as we do with foundation. As for bigger guns, were not asking for bigger guns, just an RP loop.

For the record if you're annoyed at people stealing SCPS because they don't have a gameplay loop and need one then you're just here to complain without solving a single issue or trying to give advice on how to fix GOC. So far I have seen you suggest 0 for how to improve GOC, only complaining like a child that GOC are trying to find RP and it just so happens to be with foundation because 80% of the server's RP is in foundation.

 

["Seraphim"]

SL have stopped DEA from preventing GOC from sampling before because it ruins their gameplay loop. The best solution is coming up with something where foundation WANT to "work" with GOC willingly, and not because they know if they don't they get beaten to death with overpowered equipment, more because it is mutually beneficial and GOC will make whatever they want to do a headache otherwise.

Wrong again, the DEA were talked to by SL because we had an agreement that allowed us to enter the facility and the DEA were refusing to listen to orders from their command which was FailRP. They were senior agents and operatives who didnt want to listen and a SL was a Nu7 CPL who saw the whole thing told them to let us in as Site Manager was saying to allow us in for sampling. I should know since I was a CPT at the time and I was there. If Foundation doesn't want to do RP with GOC they don't have to, they choose to because having GOC and CI raid them at once is to put it lightly, HELL. You'd have 2 juggernauts, 2 combative reality benders, a shit ton of KBARs and other guns being shot at foundation. Not to mention last time we joint raided with CI we had 3 LAVs and held garage for 30 minutes. So yes its mutually beneficial, we could easily keep peaceful relations with foundation without going into their base, we just wouldn't give 8854/323 samples etc. when stuff hits surface.

We do not however make a ticket unless people break the rules, which spoiler alert if you're complaining over us making reports on people for breaking the rules then that's a sad excuse to be angry.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Maybe a war system like MRP? Keeps both surface combat going, allows peacetime ops to happen, and CI can still just like raid, just no hostilities on surface.

I remember in the past that suggestions have been denied because they "didn't want the surface to turn into MRP" but tbh, now that MRP is gone... Why not make the surface more like MRP? Turn a big dial that says "Surface = MRP" on it and look back at CT for approval like a contestant on the price is right.

This probably won't fix fix surface like people want, but could at least give it something.

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Also, something I remember that was teased a while back was a feature that made SCP neutralisation more impactful - In that when an SCP is killed/ADB'd, that job becomes unavailable for flag on for a limited period of time. Assuming that it works in the manner of "killing an SCP normally with gunfire (so terminables, 939s, 457, 966, etc.) or ADB will trigger this," an idea I had for that would be for ADBing an SCP to make that job unavailable for longer than normally killing it would (if applicable - so for example, killing the SCP normally makes the job unavailable for an hour and ADBing would make it unavailable for two. if it's non-terminable, only ADB applies). This would give one of GOC's unique capabilities a bit more bite to it.

 

[Kevin Ki]

I know the US mentality on this is different,

Being 100% honest here, the reason US DEA is more combat focused is because doing a infil on either GOI is impossible, because there's always some pvt or alpha who plays the "but my delcom/lt said they were in HCZ! Better codeword or id check you!!!" Or some bs and if they don't it just becomes a "Lets all follow you around and question everything!" Which leads to a sitfest or some bs no one wants to deal with, so we just kill. If their bases weren't just 2-6 hallways it'd be a bit better.

Maybe a war system like MRP? Keeps both surface combat going, allows peacetime ops to happen, and CI can still just like raid, just no hostilities on surface.

I had actually made a big ass suggestion for this but included one being a raid time [because at the time CI was just raiding constantly with 40 people, a jugg, and a TB, then instantly doing a mass breach with DCs] to actually allow exactly what you're describing and add a time Civi RP can happen.

It was denied because MRP players had a fit that it was their system only. [Their server is dead now tho lol]

 

[Kevin Ki]

I remember in the past that suggestions have been denied because they "didn't want the surface to turn into MRP" but tbh, now that MRP is gone... Why not make the surface more like MRP?

Yep I wrote that.

This would give one of GOC's unique capabilities a bit more bite to it.

Normally I don't agree with you but yeah, this is cool

 

[Welper]

It was denied because MRP players had a fit that it was their system only. [Their server is dead now tho lol]

As both an MRP player and a DEA player, I have no idea what to think of this statement, so I will now implode.
But uhhh yeah could be a good idea to get it in here, now that we're no longer an obstacle

 

[Kevin Ki]

Oh look, another person who has gotten GOC completely wrong. I have yet to see a reply more copious and inaccurate than this one.

Ain't you the GOC on US that causes most of US foundation not to want GOC around? Like, prime example of someone being insanely annoying about how "powerful" they are IC, and you do it on purpose and have a weird OOC obsession with just attacking and harrassing people for having fun with friends. Like I'll have to find it but there was literally a thread where you had a fit about A1 "Brutally bullying a tech expert" and it was just you on 079 stalking them then taking friends playing around out of context.

Brother your RP is NOT what this server needs more of.

I didn't read the rest because I just don't like or respect you as a person.

 

[Ronin]

This is the exact issue I see with GOCs current gameplay loop and RP direction, GOC already have an implicit alliance with the foundation which is essentially unshakable. SL have stopped DEA from preventing GOC from sampling before because it ruins their gameplay loop. The best solution is coming up with something where foundation WANT to "work" with GOC willingly, and not because they know if they don't they get beaten to death with overpowered equipment, more because it is mutually beneficial and GOC will make whatever they want to do a headache otherwise. No one on foundation wants to just bend the knee to GOC for no reason and let them walk all over them.

What can the GOC as a faction realistically do to make the foundation "want" to work with them without infringing on their own goals.

 

[Kevin Ki]

What can the GOC as a faction realistically do to make the foundation "want" to work with them without infringing on their own goals.

Have their own SCPs with independent samples
Provide assistance against CI (common enemy realistically)
Provide assistance with breaches without stealing anything that isn't nailed down
Offer assistance for high value test (like 008 or 682)[helping terminate 682 or find a cure for 008 would match their goals]

But what we're asking for here is to make GOC more independent from Foundation, allow them to operate on a day to day basis without having to beg for a scrap of rp from foundation.

I heavily recommend overall surface updates (LIKE A BIGGER MAP [been discussed, apparently not possible, just set tp points at the exit to a zone above or bellow surface to "travel" to a city.]) To encourage civi rp. A long time ago I recommended to add like weed/meth/gardening to surface as a heavy money maker and allow GOC to act as a peace keeping force against and for Civis so they can lately do stuff. Because that's what GOC IS. They aren't reddit mods for Foundation and CI interactions, or beg to come inside their base, ect. They're a for the people group. Protecting civilians from GOI or sometimes foundation. So if a civilian somehow makes a cognito hazard to keep feds out, or messes with stuff they shouldn't, GOC is trying to protect them from themselves.

Without a reason to play civi people just won't, and people say "people won't play civi" but I've seen people try, there's just nothing to do up there. Foundation just ignores them, CI shoot or kidnap them, and GOC has so many agreements not to kill either when either do something bad to a civi they basically just ignore it like it never happened or just shoot eachother for a day, which is about the same rp as D-Class Vs GSD.

Tldr: I desire RP BEYOND shooting eachother.